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2022-09-26, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Well? Anyone?
This place seems crawling with diehard D20 Modern fans, and I imagine with 5e being so popular, simple... This new attempt at D20 Modern, but inside 5e... It could be popular enough, get new people to do D20 modern'ish stuff.
I personally won't be playing it, because I have my own system and my players/me think it does all the stuff we like pretty well.
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Some of the classes seem better written/balanced?Last edited by Tevo77777; 2022-09-26 at 08:50 PM.
If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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2022-09-26, 05:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Wait, d20 modern had fans? Has fans?
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2022-09-26, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-26, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
When I searched "XCOM RPG" all I found was people doing play by post or in person games, using the D20 Modern system. There have been a decent number of D20 Modern games for various settings on this forum and others.
I didn't find anyone playing GURPS or whatever.If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-26, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-27, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
I'd be leery about publishing names like Johnny Blaze and Leticia Wright if I were them >_>
The "classes" are interesting but a little vague. I'm guessing this is a zero-magic world?Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-09-27, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
I like both d20 Modern and 5e and I'm not sure why, but this doesn't excite me.
My initial thoughts: 18 classes? That's a lot for the starter books of a new game. D&D itself has only gotten up to 12. While I can't speak for everyone's experience, to me D20 Modern is an active mishmash of genres, heavy with Urban Fantasy and sprinkled with a little surveilance state menace (Department 7 is ostensibly the good guys, but come on). And this looks more like they want you to pick a genre and are leaning more towards WatchDogs
Also, I'm on the same page as Psyren with the names, this quick start material reads like they're trying to get sued.Avatar by linklele
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2022-09-27, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-27, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-27, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-27, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Sure, but those are advanced classes. You won't touch them until you have a much better idea of the game. From the information I have (mostly the quick start) we're talking 18 base classes. Which makes sense; this is based on 5e and 5e doesn't have prestige classes. But assuming the classes are actually classes in the way a Fighter is a class for 5e, that's a lot to decide from.
Alternatively, their version of class is actually subclass/archetype, which is needlessly confusing because that would mean what they call archetypes (Smart Hero, Strong Hero, Etc.) are the actual classes. Which would fit an update way more, IMO, but then that makes the language needlessly confusing for everyone, 5e and D20 Modern fans alike.
But regardless, in the original d20 modern you chose 1 of 6 classes at first level and it was relatively straightforward. This does not look like that at first glance. I'll reserve judgement until i get a better idea of what the game is actually like, but I am not filled with confidence that this is turning out as straightforward as "Pick a stat, that's the main thing you do for now"
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2022-09-27, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
The quick-guide says
"The full version of Everyday Heroes includes 6 base classes and more than 16 classes. Base classes: Strong, Agile, Tough, Smart, Wise, and Charming form a foundation, while classes such as Bodyguard, Marksman, Hacker, Fencer, Martial Artist, and many more give a character their specialization. For the Quickstart, we have combined four base classes and classes together:"
This just sounds like classes and advanced classes. Bodyguard and MA were Advanced classes in D20 Modern.Last edited by Tevo77777; 2022-09-27 at 05:34 PM.
If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-27, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
I'd argue that Advanced Classes are closer to 5e subclasses. So if I was trying to translate d20 Modern into 5e mechanics you might be a Fast Hero (Gunslinger) or Smart Hero (Mage). I'd also probably fold Tough Heroes into Strong Heroes to give five classes.
But yeah, I'm just not excited to play modern games with 5e. If I want a modern setting I have Modern AGE, Chronicles of Darkness, and Trinity Continuum, all of which cater to my tastes more.
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2022-09-27, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-27, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-27, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
"Sleeping late might not be a virtue, but it sure aint no vice. The old saw about the early bird and the worm just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed."
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I think, therefore I get really, really annoyed at people who won't.
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2022-09-27, 11:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Last edited by Tevo77777; 2022-09-28 at 03:03 AM.
If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-28, 05:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
There's a lot of aspects of D20 Modern that fundamentally don't work by RAW. This can be fixed via houserule (and I suspect that a lot of people who like the system do so without realizing it, because there's aspects of the RAW that make no sense), but that's not great. It also suffers badly by trying to essentially maintain compatibility with 3.5e D&D. yet doesn't really fulfill that goal either. There's good stuff in the system, but as a whole it is really lacking.
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2022-09-28, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Hard to get excited for anything 5e since they consistently water everything down
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2022-09-28, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-28, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Nope!
I enjoy d20 and 3.5 and I appreciate what they tried to do with 5e. I, however, remember that they are The Wizards of the Coast. They have gone political from what I heard from multiple scources. Due to site rules i cannot speak anymore on that but I can say that once they remember that they are a company that makes money i might deem them worthy of my money once more.
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2022-09-28, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
3.5 skills were significantly better than how 5e does it.
Singing, dancing, oration, clowning, juggling, fire eating, walking on hot coals, miming, and tightrope walking are, RAW, all one proficiency u Der 5e rules.
RAW it also takes two proficiencies to play the kazoo and the vuvuzela.Last edited by Anonymouswizard; 2022-09-28 at 09:20 AM.
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2022-09-28, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
And yet it's what most games I own do.
Like 5e's skills and tools are this weird hodgepodge kludge where some things can be ridiculously precise
Like 3.5 skills have their issues, but the need to distribute skill points isn't one.
God I wish 5e would simplify it's Ability Score system, distributing attribute points is rubbish.
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2022-09-28, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Ha, you have a solid point. One of the consistent issues with 5e is that they lost some common sense along the way with attempting to simplify everything.
I enjoyed mapping out the math for skills, but not everybody has the time for that. 5e skill proficiency is much better, but they simplified out some unnecessary things.
But other things got better for it. Feat chains and skill point allocation are two changes I personally appreciate.Something Borrowed - Submission Thread (5e subclass contest)
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2022-09-28, 11:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
Cogent had a good solution, in that if your wealth was like a 15 and an item was like a 10, you could just get it for free because "It's like pocket change to you".
Everyday Heroes has an even simpler system, which I'm not quite a fan of.
I liked how Cogent/CoC 5th E do things, where some things require you to max out credit cards and roll dice, while others require no effort.
To anyone who got into all of this after 3.5 E, that sounds terrible. I'm really a fan of Pathfinder 2e and that takes like 4-6 hours to make a level 3 Paladin Half-Elf character. It was like half that in 5e, and would likely take like... 7-9 hours in 3.5 D&D.
Having "class skills" and "basic attack bonus" was the bane of my existence. It's literally why I started writing my own RPG system instead of just using D20 Modern.
What are you talking about?If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
The playtest rules didn't cover wealth much. There's a short blurb in the playtest rules but is a basic "here are the levels of wealth from 0-6." (yeah...abstracted.) The playtests were built more around "build X types of characters and then do Y scenario to see if it works okay." We weren't really buying and selling things for the play test.
"Sleeping late might not be a virtue, but it sure aint no vice. The old saw about the early bird and the worm just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed."
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I think, therefore I get really, really annoyed at people who won't.
"A plucky band of renegade short-order cooks fighting the Empire with the power of cheap, delicious food and a side order of whup-ass."
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2022-09-28, 11:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
One of the things that sucked about D20 Modern, is your wealth was like a +3 and you could roll as high as 23, but if you bought anything that was valued at a 3 or 4... You faced the odds of your wealth bonus decreasing.
Which was honestly really dumb. When you convert prices over, it was like being able to buy things, possibly, that cost 5,000 dollars, but you struggled to buy something worth 20 dollars.If I ever think that I've gone too far in my Homebrew, I can just think about how Kane0 isn't considered crazy, so why would I be considered so?
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D20 Modern's handling of shotguns is the perfect case of not balancing for fun OR realism OR efficiency.
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Where would I go to get people to test mechanics? Reddit?
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2022-09-29, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Anyone Excited for "Everyday Heroes" (D20 Modern for 5e?)
I jiust checked how Modern AGE does it, and yeah it's a pretty standard abstracted wealth system. Anything up to Resources+4 is automatic, up to Resources+9 is free but requires a roll, and Resources+10 or greater reduces your Resources by 1 if it's successful. It'sfiunctional, but part of that comes from using 3d6 instead of 1d20. Althgough bying in d20 Modern ids hilarioudsly punishing (it's either automatic or reduces your Wealth),
To anyone who got into all of this after 3.5 E, that sounds terrible. I'm really a fan of Pathfinder 2e and that takes like 4-6 hours to make a level 3 Paladin Half-Elf character. It was like half that in 5e, and would likely take like... 7-9 hours in 3.5 D&D.
Having "class skills" and "basic attack bonus" was the bane of my existence. It's literally why I started writing my own RPG system instead of just using D20 Modern.
What are you talking about?
Now you can go overboard, I own games where spending all my skill points will take me 20-30 minutes (more if I have to calculate them), but at that point we're talking about having over a hundred. On the other hand I own games where I can make a full PC in ten minutes.
Nothing wrong with an abstract wealth system, coin counting sucks.