Candy-Coated Werewolf

[gac3]

Your confidence in my skill is misplaced then.

The fascinating part to me right now is that you used a very similar situation as evidence against me. You were right then. That's why I fully believe you have the skill to pick up on this. Because you got me with it once already.

[Rogan]

First off: it's day 1. You are acting like the threshold for a chop choice is mega-high.

Second off: you've given exactly as many reasons for changing my vote as I've given for not changing my vote. You're not confirmed town, book's not confirmed town, so stop acting like you're in charge of this candy bag and that I've gotta convince you to have a chance.

Thirdly, it's just basic process of elimination.

3SecondCultist, Persolus, and Xumtiil are too new for me to wanna chop em this early. Cazero, Visor, Hollowkatt, MrsMcGinty, Cuthalion, and Murska don't play around here often if ever, and that'd be a bad way to say "hi". AvatarVecna, bladescape, Rogan, and flat_footed have a bad habit of dying early regardless of alignment. That leaves gac3, Book Wombat, and Snowblaze. gac ran the last game and tends to get scumread early for acting weird, so I'm willing to give him a pass for the moment. Snow has a tendency to get wagoned early but wiggle out of it, but also she died N1 last game due to bastard nonsense, so while I'm more willing to chop here, I'd still rather give her some time to catch her breath. That leaves BW, who I feel tends to last until endgame.

POE says BW for lynch.

Well, that's a nice explanation. You are still missing a crucial point: Book has done something to give him some significant town points. Especially on combination with gacs read on things.

Also, I'm definitely not trying to be a Town leader here. I'm telling you (and by extension, everyone else) my point of view.
And that's simple. I am reasonably confident I've figured out what Gac and Book are doing here. I agree with them. I don't expect everyone to get it and I don't think not getting it is enough reason to lock someone as wolf, but it's enough to look unfavorable on any tunnel on them.

Could this be a wolf ploy? Sure, nothing is impossible. But right now, you have two people publicly declaring their strong trust in one player, who seems to understand why they to this. Unless you want to suggest we are all wolves who decided to draw that much attention, you should consider the chance of us being right.

Regarding the reasons for trusting Book: Sure. Gac was vague and I'm probably even worse. But you should know the value of not explaining everything immediately so more players have a chance to chime in.

If gac asks me to explain my point of view, I'm willing to comply. I don't think he will need the additional town points for an explanation, cause he made the point first. Right now, I could be a wolf who has no idea what's going on here, pretending otherwise. So me explaining things would be better for my own position, but I'm still not going to do this unless I'm asked by someone I trust.
Until then, I'll stick to my position of vagueness.

[gac3]

Well, that's a nice explanation. You are still missing a crucial point: Book has done something to give him some significant town points. Especially on combination with gacs read on things.

Also, I'm definitely not trying to be a Town leader here. I'm telling you (and by extension, everyone else) my point of view.
And that's simple. I am reasonably confident I've figured out what Gac and Book are doing here. I agree with them. I don't expect everyone to get it and I don't think not getting it is enough reason to lock someone as wolf, but it's enough to look unfavorable on any tunnel on them.

Could this be a wolf ploy? Sure, nothing is impossible. But right now, you have two people publicly declaring their strong trust in one player, who seems to understand why they to this. Unless you want to suggest we are all wolves who decided to draw that much attention, you should consider the chance of us being right.

Regarding the reasons for trusting Book: Sure. Gac was vague and I'm probably even worse. But you should know the value of not explaining everything immediately so more players have a chance to chime in.

If gac asks me to explain my point of view, I'm willing to comply. I don't think he will need the additional town points for an explanation, cause he made the point first. Right now, I could be a wolf who has no idea what's going on here, pretending otherwise. So me explaining things would be better for my own position, but I'm still not going to do this unless I'm asked by someone I trust.
Until then, I'll stick to my position of vagueness.

To be fair, there are only like 2 or 3 players that I would care if they missed it. It's easy to miss. Especially if you are new. However by now those 2 or 3 people should have caught on. Again because I've seen them do a similar stunt.

[AvatarVecna]

If all this stupid ****ing fuss is about the text color I swear to god

[gac3]

Also since I brought it up first, I was actually hoping someone other than me or book could explain it. Basically giving us 3 solid town leans. Hopefully that can be Rogan, but I would prefer book be the one to make the request.

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If all this stupid ****ing fuss is about the text color I swear to god

It's not. I still don't (though maybe I should) pay any attention to the text color and codes put in that.

[Rogan]

To be fair, there are only like 2 or 3 players that I would care if they missed it. It's easy to miss. Especially if you are new. However by now those 2 or 3 people should have caught on. Again because I've seen them do a similar stunt.

I was significantly ninjaed in my post, but I tend to agree. AV is much more likely to understand than anybody else. I can confirm I've seen AV use a very similar move before.

Do you agree that if one of us three should explain things, it should be me?

[hollowkatt]

Morning. Enough content that I can start properly digging into it now. Let's see:

- vague gut townleans on Persolus and Rogan

- Murska, elaborate on 3SC please? (Also I was about to wolfread him for switching to a counterwagon to himself before I realised he was switching away from the other counterwagon to himself. In that case maybe thinnest of town points? Xumtiil wagon probably had more of a case behind it/was easier to push)

- Visor, when you say "Xumtiil seems fine for D1" do you mean "Xumtiil seems towny enough to not want dead" or "I'm fine with killing Xumtiil D1"?

- gac... my gut is just screaming "kill gac with fire" but it might just be typical town!gac weirdness so I need to turn that over in my head and try (and fail) to come to a conclusion.

- Mrs McGinty can have tentative town points for retracting their gac non-vote but I still expect answers/explanation before EOD.

- I also have a bad reason to townread AV; incidentally bladescape having one is typical bladescape and very much NAI, but I can see how it would seem towny to someone who doesn't know bladescape, so...

- bladescape, hollowkatt, have you played together before? How well do you know each other?


tl;dr
Vague townleans: Persolus, Rogan, Mrs McGinty
Above null if I squint hard enough, but don't trust me on these: Murska, AvatarVecna
Hovering somewhere below null: gac3, Xumtiil

And everyone else remains null.

I think Bladescape and I know each other fairly well. Somewhere between 5-15 games together over the years seems right to me.

[gac3]

I was significantly ninjaed in my post, but I tend to agree. AV is much more likely to understand than anybody else. I can confirm I've seen AV use a very similar move before.

Do you agree that if one of us three should explain things, it should be me?

Yes. I think that is optimal. Perhaps I drew attention to this prematurely but waiting too long could lead to the claim no longer being relevant.

[Rogan]

Also since I brought it up first, I was actually hoping someone other than me or book could explain it. Basically giving us 3 solid town leans. Hopefully that can be Rogan, but I would prefer book be the one to make the request.

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It's not. I still don't (though maybe I should) pay any attention to the text color and codes put in that.

Ninja again. But sure, I'm fine with Book taking the shot.

The text color is to the best of my knowledge just a slight joke, although I did check this at first as well.

[AvatarVecna]

Yes. I think that is optimal. Perhaps I drew attention to this prematurely but waiting too long could lead to the claim no longer being relevant.

I'd rather just get lynched than talk about claims.

[gac3]

I'd rather just get lynched than talk about claims.

Claim I guess is the wrong word. Because I have no idea what books roll is. Just to clarify.

[bladescape]

Sorry if I'm not wanting to lynch a near confirmed townie because everyone else is too new or has meta regarding them dying early. Vote me if you prefer. I certainly have less evidence than Book does going for them.

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Which is why I'm confident you aren't town. If I'm wrong, I will apologize profusely later. However, even if you think I'm a moron or wrong about my assumption, if you were town, you (specifically you, AV) would have figured out what I meant. Again, I literally learned this from you not that long ago.

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I'll let book decide when to reveal their trick. Newer people won't get it either way probably.

Any trick Book can intentionally do is a trick they can fake. Counterpointed.

[gac3]

Any trick Book can intentionally do is a trick they can fake. Counterpointed.

Interesting you say that. As you are the other person I've seen use this trick. And firm, disagree.

[bladescape]

Also all the uncommon faces around here I've played with a lot, except Cazero

[gac3]

Any trick Book can intentionally do is a trick they can fake. Counterpointed.

Again though, even if I was wrong and this is a viable wolf trick (which it isn't), I still believe AV would understand what I was talking about if town. Even if their response was "I see what you are saying and you are reading too much into this"

[Cazero]

Claim I guess is the wrong word. Because I have no idea what books roll is. Just to clarify.

Yet you're very confident the wombat is safe because of something they said when they could easily have been faking whatever it is.

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And I got ninja'ed hard.

[AvatarVecna]

Thought for a second I'd found a weird thing but it was just Xumtiil.

[gac3]

Yet you're very confident the wombat is safe because of something they said when they could easily have been faking whatever it is.

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And I got ninja'ed hard.

Disagree. Very hard thing to fake. Hence why it's such a solid hint for a townie to drop. Whatever. Unless you intend to vote for me or Book decides Rogan can reveal it, it's probably more productive to focus more on actually voting than whether or not Gac3 is tunneling AV/being tricked by a wolf. I'm not even trying to convince anyone to vote a certain ways just expressing my belief that Book is probably lock town and AV is probably not town.

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There's no point holding up discussion over a vague bit of evidence I'm not willing to reveal without permission. So if you think I'm behaving suspiciously, please vote me. Otherwise I feel like I'm just bogging down conversation.

[bladescape]

Interesting you say that. As you are the other person I've seen use this trick. And firm, disagree.

Especially if AV and me have visibly used this for townreads (which would be weird because I still got no clue what we're talking about and I just spent 20 minutes on the 3 Book posts before you claim they're towny and saw literally zilch that I'd use to read Book.) I would be skeptical of trusting it so hard.

[AvatarVecna]

FoS on MMG.

[Snowblaze]

Can we... please not talk about the Thing any more? It's basically completely subverting the point of the game and shouldn't really be something that wolves have to play around.

Just pretend it doesn't exist and move on and hunt wolves elsewhere. Please.

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FoS on MMG.

Elaborate, please?

[bladescape]

There's literally only one thing I can think of which is hilarious to me because it implies something that would ruin Gac's assumption anyway and I find flimsy at best.

That being said I'm near certain Gac is town because I doubt he'd do this vague dig heels in as wolf? I'd be surprised if he did at least.

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To clarify Rogan does not get the same town points for this.

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Again though, even if I was wrong and this is a viable wolf trick (which it isn't), I still believe AV would understand what I was talking about if town. Even if their response was "I see what you are saying and you are reading too much into this"

I don't believe this is a fair conjecture.

No matter how skilled people are not infallible.

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Literally any read on "if you were town you'd see x" is a read I will inherently disagree on.

Because sometimes you're tired. Or multitasking. Or just don't care. Especially as AV typically doesn't put effort into d1 much

[Rogan]

Yet you're very confident the wombat is safe because of something they said when they could easily have been faking whatever it is.

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And I got ninja'ed hard.

Book might have faked it, sure. But it's not trivial. He also reacted in a way I would expect town!book to do. And, third, I agree with Gac that Books move is totally in character for his town game but feels off for his wolf game.

Now, you don't need to understand what we are talking about. It will be explained one way or the other.
What would be interesting is your opinion on the surrounding. Do you think gac was tricked? Do you think he is a wolf who KNOWS Book isn't in his team?
What's my role in this whole mess?
What about AV?

[AvatarVecna]

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[QUOTE=Book Wombat;25618173]The Number One [S][COLOR="#FF0000"][B]gac3[/B][/COLOR][/S]![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Book Wombat;25618479][B][COLOR="CandyCoated"]Who's been naughty and who's been—wait wrong time.
Uh, Time to Trick and Treat![/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Book Wombat;25619107][COLOR="CandyCoated"][B]Wait, that's allowed? Now I'm tempted to vote for "all threats to town".[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Book Wombat;25619482][COLOR="CandyCoated"][B][I]*gasp*[/I]
Wombat steak? How could you?![/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

There's nothing here.

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Elaborate, please?

Maybe later.

[Book Wombat]

The colour code is just because I wanted a festive colour, and CandyCoated fit quite well. Also reminiscent of blood.
If Rogan wants to reveal the trick, I have nothing against it.

[AvatarVecna]

That being said I'm near certain Gac is town because I doubt he'd do this vague dig heels in as wolf? I'd be surprised if he did at least.

I think it's actually NAI for gac, but I'm gonna townread him anyway.

[Cazero]

Book might have faked it, sure. But it's not trivial.

You're gonna have to explain the not trivial part, probably along the trick, if you want me to believe it.
Seriously. This is forum based. Lies are cheap and easy.

Now if you were to say it would be out of character for book to fake it, like you seem to be doing in the rest of your post, I guess I'd have to take your word for it.

[flat_footed]

The colour code is just because I wanted a festive colour, and CandyCoated fit quite well. Also reminiscent of blood.
If Rogan wants to reveal the trick, I have nothing against it.

BW until this is cleared up. Hope you don't mind me going with a fun, cherry flavored color.

[AvatarVecna]

Book might have faked it, sure. But it's not trivial. He also reacted in a way I would expect town!book to do. And, third, I agree with Gac that Books move is totally in character for his town game but feels off for his wolf game.

What wolf game? BW is like never wolf. He even keeps a good enough record to prove it: he's been wolf twice, SK once, and was culted to wolfteam in one game. That's out of 25 games played. Regardless of who was claiming what, anybody who claims they have a handle on how BW plays wolf based off two and a half real wolf games should have the accuracy of that read questioned.

[Taffimai]

Current Votecount

Gac 1: Cultist
Flat 3: Xumtiil, Murska, Visor
Xumtiil 2: Snow, Hollowkatt
Snow 1: Cazero
AV 2: Gac, Wombat
Cuthalion 1: Persolus
Wombat 2: AV, Flat
Cultist 1: Cuthalion
"all except ff, Murska, hk, Rogan, sb, Persolus" 1: McGinty
"A wolf" 1: Rogan
Hollowkatt 1: Bladescape

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