The Abomination Concord [3.5, epic, one-shot, recruiting]

[MagneticDragon]

So, I currently have 300kgp left to spend on Valk, even after all those custom magic items. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to get?

I suppose I could get a Glorious Spellblade Gauntlet resiting another spell and giving me more turn undead attempts, and I could ask about Nightstick stacking... but I don't know, that's starting to get into somewhat cheesy categories...

I’ll allow it, but only your Allie’s. Else that’s a tad too powerful.

That's entirely fine with me. I'm a buffer, not a debuffer.

[BelGareth]

I was going to build a barbarian minotaur but if you arent big on monster progression, I will just go ahead and build the ultimate rogue.
Some questions before I get started on some custom items. Cloaks and Boots of Elvenkind are priced at 2,500 (+5²X100), is it possible for someone to get boots and cloak at a higher bonus using the same pricing progression. I believe that +20 would be allowed before epic pricing kicks in, so I wouldnt go higher than that. In the same vein, I would like to get an enhanced circlet of persuasion at bonus²X500 and magical enhanced thieves tools, with the same pricing; again not going above +20 to avoid epic inflation.

Works for me

[MikelaC1]

What rules are we using on combining item effects, MIC which is base+base or DMG which is base+baseX1.5

[BelGareth]

What rules are we using on combining item effects, MIC which is base+base or DMG which is base+baseX1.5

DMG, so base price + base x 1.5

[MikelaC1]

Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks if the opponent is at 30 feet or less, is there some sort of feat or item that can stretch that out? Im still building a rogue, but she's becoming a bit of a bow specialist for her attack mode, along with weapon finesse for her rapier.

[Darius Vibrtrar]

I beleive the spell Sniper eye, or sniper shot, extends it out to any range

[watupwithdat]

Is the War Mage prc from dragonlance wotc? Those officially licensed campaign setting books always confuses me.

[BelGareth]

Is the War Mage prc from dragonlance wotc? Those officially licensed campaign setting books always confuses me.

That’s approved

[Darius Vibrtrar]

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Barret Tyche-Son Lightfoot

Spoiler: Background

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Barret began his life as a risk taking adventurer, joining some big folk as thier cleric. He would enable the more... courageous and brave to do riskier and riskier stunts, all for the more spectacular stories to be told over brew back in the taverns. As a cleric of tymora luck was his holy symbol and his life, learning to steal good luck from foes, and to give it to his allies, Barret was always living on the edge. When he faced the edge of becoming more than just an adventurer... pushing beyond to become a legend he would face the challenge to become an auspisicion... taking the deadly poison. After all that good luck... Tymora let the coin flip to show Barret some humility. He died that day from the poison, but was brought back and welcomed into the secret society, for bad luck is still a type of luck. He now seeks greater and greater challenges to aid thrill seekers and those who risk death to bring luck to thier mission.

[Taelas]

What rules are we using on combining item effects, MIC which is base+base or DMG which is base+baseX1.5

That's not quite how MIC pricing works. The price there is the same as the DMG's, except that certain common effects aren't increased for associated slots.

If you want to combine gloves of dexterity and belt of giant strength into one set of gloves (which are associated for both effects), it just costs the base price added together. But if you want to add gauntlets of war to gloves of storing together, it costs 1.5 times the less expensive item plus the more expensive item.

It's so you can have wings of flying without giving up your cloak of resistance and not pay out the wazoo for the privilege.

[MikelaC1]

The skill monkey rogue with a deadly bow is 95% done, with a pittance of money to spend and a background to design
Zarinda

[LairdMaon]

Wendell is nearly complete shy of his background writeup. He has two forms, Medium and Large. I should have that written up shortly.

[Auranghzeb]

Realistically, we won't be moving to lvl 25? will we? Because in that case, I'll be better of skimming the last level of Binder and adding a dip in something. Binder 23 +1 dip.

[samduke]

That's not quite how MIC pricing works. The price there is the same as the DMG's, except that certain common effects aren't increased for associated slots.

If you want to combine gloves of dexterity and belt of giant strength into one set of gloves (which are associated for both effects), it just costs the base price added together. But if you want to add gauntlets of war to gloves of storing together, it costs 1.5 times the less expensive item plus the more expensive item.

It's so you can have wings of flying without giving up your cloak of resistance and not pay out the wazoo for the privilege.

huh man I think I have been doing that wrong for a while then I always thought it was gloves A price + gloves B price and then 50% more on the lesser regardless of the fact it was the same slot.

[Doxkid]

You know I've been watching this thread and the Warforged thread since the beginning, but I'm only just parsing that both were created by Belgy.

[BelGareth]

Realistically, we won't be moving to lvl 25? will we? Because in that case, I'll be better of skimming the last level of Binder and adding a dip in something. Binder 23 +1 dip.

Couldn't say to be honest.

You know I've been watching this thread and the Warforged thread since the beginning, but I'm only just parsing that both were created by Belgy.

[MagneticDragon]

Wendell is nearly complete shy of his background writeup. He has two forms, Medium and Large. I should have that written up shortly.

So, correct me if I'm wrong. But the way you are playing an Artificer, which requires Use Magic Device to function correctly, and the War Hulk, which treats you as having 0 ranks in all Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma-based skills except for Intimidate, which of course, also counts Use Magic Device. Is by changing your size so that you no longer count as medium, disqualifying you from being a War Hulk, and thus losing the 'No Time to Think' class feature, correct?

Not that there is much difference between the two sheets as it currently stands.

[LairdMaon]

So, correct me if I'm wrong. But the way you are playing an Artificer, which requires Use Magic Device to function correctly, and the War Hulk, which treats you as having 0 ranks in all Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma-based skills except for Intimidate, which of course, also counts Use Magic Device. Is by changing your size so that you no longer count as medium, disqualifying you from being a War Hulk, and thus losing the 'No Time to Think' class feature, correct?

Not that there is much difference between the two sheets as it currently stands.

That's exactly correct. It's a Banner/Hulk switch.

[MagneticDragon]

So, I have a few new custom item requests, but I also have a different question to Bel. How willing are you to allow Nightstick’s to stack... or well, a mega-nightstick to be made? I am quite hoping that I will be allowed to increase it from the 4 Turn Undead attempts I currently get. But I do not want to go absolutely wild with it either. So what would be a reasonable level of restriction for the number of turn undead attempts I can buy?

Spoiler: Custom Item Requests

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Reliquary of Natural Armour: Amulet of Natural Armour +5 (50,000gp) + Reliquary Holy Symbol (1,000 * 1.5 = 1,500gp) + Badge of Valor (1,400 * 1.5 = 2,100gp) = 53,600gp.

Modification to the Cloak of the Resplendent Martyr: Starmantle Cloak (132,000gp) + Continuous Favour of the Martyr (4th Level Spell = 4 * 8 (CL) * 2000 (Continuous item multiplier) * 2 (1 minute/level multiplier * 1.5) = 192,000gp) + Phoenix Cloak (50,000 * 1.5 = 75,000gp) + Cloak of Displacement (24,000 * 1.5 = 36,000gp) = 435,000gp, increased from 239,000gp.

Arm of Nyr: 12,800gp. +2 Deflection to AC (8,000gp) = +2 Strength and +2 Dexterity = 12,000gp. This equals +6,000gp per +2 bonus, to +3,000gp per single bonus.

Legendary Arm of Nyr: +5 Deflection to AC (50,000gp), +6 Strength (18,000gp), +6 Dexterity (18,000gp) = 86,000gp.

I know that the Arm of Nyr is 3.0 material, and this is quite cost effective for its effects. But I honestly think the Arm of Nyr is quite fitting for my character. Plus, this would just put Valk's Strength at 34. Considering that we have 2 characters thus far with over 40 strength, and that Valk is not primarily a melee fighter, that is more of a secondary role, I was hoping it would be acceptable.

Total Cost: 294,600gp (counting the increase of cost to the Cloak of Resplendent Martyr rather than its total cost)

That's exactly correct. It's a Banner/Hulk switch.

Impressive, genuinely impressive. I might need to remember that trick myself. How exactly are you tweaking your size?

[Taelas]

huh man I think I have been doing that wrong for a while then I always thought it was gloves A price + gloves B price and then 50% more on the lesser regardless of the fact it was the same slot.

No, that is correct -- and it's also what I said. Assuming gloves A and gloves B aren't of the "common magical effects"-variety.

[Heavenblade]

Iv'e finalized my build - playing a maritally inclined glaivelock with a splash of warblade, with the jeystone of the build being the stormguard warrior feat. Sheet will be sent tommorow.

[LairdMaon]

Impressive, genuinely impressive. I might need to remember that trick myself. How exactly are you tweaking your size?

The magic item with use-activated Enlarge Person. Hit the button and become Large for several minutes. It has Divine Power along with it to buff his BAB and strength further as well.

[Auranghzeb]

The magic item with use-activated Enlarge Person. Hit the button and become Large for several minutes. It has Divine Power along with it to buff his BAB and strength further as well.

I love the theme (I have been playing Unmatched too much this year so anything with that flavor fits me, hence ALICE) But doesn't that mean you are qualifying for a PRC with an item? I got lost there.

[MagneticDragon]

The magic item with use-activated Enlarge Person. Hit the button and become Large for several minutes. It has Divine Power along with it to buff his BAB and strength further as well.

I love the theme (I have been playing Unmatched too much this year so anything with that flavor fits me, hence ALICE) But doesn't that mean you are qualifying for a PRC with an item? I got lost there.

That is something that has confused me as well. If anything, I thought it would be the opposite case. That you are large naturally, as that is necessary to be able to qualify and take levels in a prestige class. But you have an item of Reduce Person to shrink yourself and turn off the War Hulk when you need to do so.

I know the trick alone would most likely require a DM's permission to use, but to qualify for a PRC with an item? Has Bel given their permission? Considering we are not allowed to use magic locations for extra feats, I would be surprised if such a trick is allowed.

[LairdMaon]

I ran all my gimmicks by the DM before I moved beyond the concept stage.

If need be, I think I have enough gold left over to switch things around and permanency enlarge person while making an item with reduce person on it.

[BelGareth]

It was bought up in the concept stage, however that being said I didn't 100% think of the qualifying for PRC with an item. But seeing as they are losing access to the PRC with a switch, and rule of cool and all that, im ok with it. I'm not seeing egregious abuse or anything.

[Auranghzeb]

Oh, I was not complaining, and it is a sound trade off to have all your artificer abilities turned off (I'm using epic vestiges so no cheese complains on my part).

While we are on that. I'd like ALICE to go small/big using expansion/compression. And I'm grabing a level of Warmind because delaying the 23rd level of Binder to lvl 24 actually let's me pick Bind Epic Vestige Zuriel or Gaia. I could pick both, but only Bind one -That puts me in a conundrum, because Gaia is super cool, particularly against aberrations.

But my question was another: If I bind Abysm, technically I become manifester LVL 23 for Abysm powers and for Hidden Talent: expansion, but what about War Mind powers? Which in this case will only be compression.

Full disclosure. If I go this route, I'll pick Practiced Manifester anyway, so I can use a Psycrown with Hustle and Psionic Lion's Charge -That's pretty much RAW.

[MagneticDragon]

Indeed, I have no issue with the trick at all. I find it quite fun and intelligent myself. I am simply making sure it is allowed, especially when it is using an item to qualify for the prestige class.

[LairdMaon]

I've pondered other methods to achieve the same outcome. For example, Goliath. The Powerful Build trait can allow them to qualify for Large prerequisites. Well, what if he can decide when either large or medium is beneficial to him?

[BelGareth]

Oh, I was not complaining, and it is a sound trade off to have all your artificer abilities turned off (I'm using epic vestiges so no cheese complains on my part).

While we are on that. I'd like ALICE to go small/big using expansion/compression. And I'm grabing a level of Warmind because delaying the 23rd level of Binder to lvl 24 actually let's me pick Bind Epic Vestige Zuriel or Gaia. I could pick both, but only Bind one -That puts me in a conundrum, because Gaia is super cool, particularly against aberrations.

But my question was another: If I bind Abysm, technically I become manifester LVL 23 for Abysm powers and for Hidden Talent: expansion, but what about War Mind powers? Which in this case will only be compression.

Full disclosure. If I go this route, I'll pick Practiced Manifester anyway, so I can use a Psycrown with Hustle and Psionic Lion's Charge -That's pretty much RAW.

I thought each epic feat lets you bind them individually?

Let's say they stack, because why not.