Eidetic Spellcaster is a horrid ACF...

[Crake]

No, this does not follow. Like I said, "able to cast" and "available to cast" are different requirements.


No it wouldn't, because, again, "able to cast" and "available to cast" are not the same thing. This goes back again to the passage I quoted earlier from CAr, as well as that passage from PHB p23 which I'm sure has probably been cited upthread at some point.

Available to cast is a subset of able to cast.

Anything available to cast is necessarily something you are able to cast. Thus, if a heightened 5th level fireball is considered a 5th level fire spell available to cast, it must necessarily be a 5th level spell you are able to cast, else it would not qualify as one available to cast.

[RSGA]

One odd thing to note about reserve spells and spontaneous casters is that in a rare show of mercy spontaneous casters get to count higher level slots for keeping their reserve feats active. This gives them in that one case a rough equivalent to how a prepared caster can use a higher level slot on a lower level spell by default behavior.

[Troacctid]

Available to cast is a subset of able to cast.

Anything available to cast is necessarily something you are able to cast. Thus, if a heightened 5th level fireball is considered a 5th level fire spell available to cast, it must necessarily be a 5th level spell you are able to cast, else it would not qualify as one available to cast.

Well, Snowcasting definitively does not increase the level of spell you have available to cast, nor does Sanctum Spell or Earth Spell, so if this is the case, then it only reinforces my initial opinion from earlier in the thread that it was sloppy to use them for your leapfrogging build when you could have used Eldritch Corruption.

[Crake]

Well, Snowcasting definitively does not increase the level of spell you have available to cast, nor does Sanctum Spell or Earth Spell, so if this is the case, then it only reinforces my initial opinion from earlier in the thread that it was sloppy to use them for your leapfrogging build when you could have used Eldritch Corruption.

Well, no, because as I said, available to cast is a subset of able to cast. Leapfrogging requires able to cast, while reserve feats require available to cast. Just because it doesnt work for reserve feats, doesnt mean it doesnt work for leapfrogging.

However, the fact that the level increase granted by heighten DOES count as a proper spell level increase, and not this hypothetical middle-ground, it means that other similarly worded spell level increases also count for proper spell level increases.

This suggests that an earth spell, sanctum spell, snowcasted heightened ray of frost in a 5th level spell slot, cast inside a sanctum would actually count as casting an 8th level spell, which means that you as a caster are ABLE to cast 8th level spells, meaning you qualify to take extra slot 7th.

[Troacctid]

However, the fact that the level increase granted by heighten DOES count as a proper spell level increase, and not this hypothetical middle-ground, it means that other similarly worded spell level increases also count for proper spell level increases.

Okay, well, Eldritch Corruption is similarly worded—in fact, it just straight-up applies Heighten to the spell. The others have substantially different wordings. So, again, you should just be using Eldritch Corruption. It has a much better foundation in the rules and it saves on feat economy because it heightens two levels by itself and can be gained as a bonus feat automatically once you meet the prerequisite.

[Crake]

Okay, well, Eldritch Corruption is similarly worded—in fact, it just straight-up applies Heighten to the spell. The others have substantially different wordings. So, again, you should just be using Eldritch Corruption. It has a much better foundation in the rules and it saves on feat economy because it heightens two levels by itself and can be gained as a bonus feat automatically once you meet the prerequisite.

Well, despite being the greater mechanical option, it is not necessarily the greater fluff option. Much easier to make snowcasting, sanctum, or earth spell work for you, or even versatile spellcaster if you’re part of the crew that thinks it allows you to sacrifice prepared slots for spontaneous casting.

[Darg]

Explain to me how normal metamagic feats will affect a reserve feat, when they do not adjust a spell’s spell level? So far youve just made such a claim twice without backing it up

Because it's prepared as a higher level spell, as I've mentioned several times already from the PHB.

The underlying interpretation is that "ability to cast an Nth level spell" occurs after Heighten Spell applies, because it's checking for "a spell that has been cast at 9th level", not "a spell that is 9th level".

It's the exact opposite. It's wanting your ABILITY to cast nth level spells, not the spell level at which you can cast particular spells

[Crake]

Because it's prepared as a higher level spell, as I've mentioned several times already from the PHB.

Thats a distinction without a difference. If a reserve feat scales with a heightened spell, while using the very straightforward wording that it does, then a spell prepared at a higher spell level with heighten spell is functionally no different than a spell prepared of that level, and if there is no functional difference when prepared, then there is no functional difference when cast.

Thus, being able to cast a heightened 5th level fireball would qualify you as being able to cast 5th level spells, which then logically follows that if a heightened 5th level fireball qualifies for 5th level spells the same would apply to other spell level increases, even if they are conditional.

[truemane]

Metamagic Mod: Let's get back on topic here, please. If you want to continue the side conversation, please take it to another thread.

[St Fan]

Well, I was enjoying the show, but the mage moderator is right, it did veer off-topic.

Would you guys agree that the homebrew of reducing the cost for Eidetic Spellcaster to only the Scribe Scroll feat and Spellbook feature (thus leaving the possibility to summon a familiar) would at least balance things a bit?

[Crake]

Well, I was enjoying the show, but the mage moderator is right, it did veer off-topic.

Would you guys agree that the homebrew of reducing the cost for Eidetic Spellcaster to only the Scribe Scroll feat and Spellbook feature (thus leaving the possibility to summon a familiar) would at least balance things a bit?

I mean, you can get a familiar via a feat in the form of obtain familiar anyway, and its actually better, since its tied to caster level, not class levels, so prestige classing doesnt gimp it.

But what I’m guessing you really want is the familiar ACFs

[bekeleven]

If Eidetic Caster were a feat, few optimizers would take it over Obtain Familiar or a metamagic (or item creation) feat. Therefore, dropping its cost from 2 feat-equivalents to one would make it more palatable from that angle.

[Crake]

If Eidetic Caster were a feat, few optimizers would take it over Obtain Familiar or a metamagic (or item creation) feat. Therefore, dropping its cost from 2 feat-equivalents to one would make it more palatable from that angle.

Or give it something extra to make up for it. Maybe have it automatically count as spell mastery for qualifications, since its basically spell mastery +, and so you can go straight into uncanny forethought

[St Fan]

Or give it something extra to make up for it. Maybe have it automatically count as spell mastery for qualifications, since its basically spell mastery +, and so you can go straight into uncanny forethought

Yeah, its similarity with Spell Mastery is another big issue. It really isn't a well-thought ACF.

[Crake]

Yeah, its similarity with Spell Mastery is another big issue. It really isn't a well-thought ACF.

well, considering spell mastery only gives you what, your int modifier in spells that you can memorize, it's in theory worth the spell mastery feat many times over.