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Thread: Official OGL Discussion Thread
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2023-03-15, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Official OGL Discussion Thread
Well again, the answer a person gives doesn't matter, its the process of thinking through it that matters. In that sense, the value of the trolley problem is that even if you think e.g. 'I'm a strict utilitarian', you might feel different about the choices and then you have to square that feeling with your explicitly stated moral philosophy. So e.g. in my case for example I would end up saying 'this highlights a fundamental flaw in human social organization, in that it incurs this bias towards inaction out of fear of being the one responsible - while that can serve the purpose of stability, in many cases it becomes an instinctual norm that is harmful and we should actively try to resist that moral instinct in those cases (for example, using different ethical standards for doctors treating patients who could not have been saved by normal means, or having standards for when someone is or isn't accountable even if their actions led to deaths specifically when inaction would also have led to deaths)'. Which isn't an answer to the trolley problem, but you could say its an overall position shaped by having been exposed to the trolley problem.
Other people may come up with other justifications or ways of making sense of what they feel, but its the way of making sense that is the important thing and not the personal number.Last edited by NichG; 2023-03-15 at 01:32 PM.
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2023-03-15, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Official OGL Discussion Thread
What, then? Go on, give me your definition of "hostile" whereby trying to destroy someone isn't hostile.
Here's my understanding of the situation:
Humans generally evaluate behavior relative to some "in-group". Under this paradigm, "good" actions benefit the in-group and "evil" actions harm the in-group, and the perspective of an unbiased third party, hypothetical or not, doesn't enter into the equation. All that's required for someone, whether a fictional monster or a real human being, to rate as "evil" is acting against the interests of one's perceived in-group.
I take it that you don't care whether a fictional vampire is better or worse than anyone else from an unbiased perspective. If it just doesn't matter to you whether or not you're actually worse than the monster you root for the protagonists to kill, then I guess that that is "adding noise" from your perspective.
But comparing and contrasting the behaviors of different groups and individuals is what I was talking about in the first place. That is the conversation here. Why have you repeatedly replied if you don't want to participate in that conversation?
There's nothing inherently wrong with subverting a genre. Although, given that I'm not producing any fiction here, "subvert" feels a little strong. More like "analyze".
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2023-03-15, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Official OGL Discussion Thread
Metamagic Mod: 50 pages. Also way off-topic and into dangerous waters.
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