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2023-01-24, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
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2023-01-24, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
From a purely mechanical perspective, non-metal halfplate or whatever would at best be a common magic item. Magically treated leather or something.
There's no reason to make this such a sticking point if its a dealbreaker for someone.Make Martials CoolAgain.
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2023-01-24, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
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2023-01-25, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
You're over thinking it. Kid wants a dude dressed in leather. Refluff splint as a medium class leather armor (with a metal component reinforcing it if you're worried about Heat Metal). Call it whatever. Done.
The fact that "studded leather exists" is irrelevant. Studded leather isn't a medium class armor with the stats of splint. This will be. It's literally just splint that looks like leather with a fluffed name so the kid feels like he's wearing leather but mechanically benefiting from splint.
Point being that someone wanting their guy to look like he's wearing leather not only isn't an insurmountable obstacle to wearing medium, it shouldn't be an obstacle at all. Use your imagination.
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2023-01-25, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
I am not overthinking it. House rule away as needed, but be aware of the impact if you're making leather armor work like a medium armor. It's not refluffing, and it has in world implications if you house rule one thing to be another that already exists.
For example, you need to decide what happens if the character's armor is destroyed or they find magical studded/leather. Do they get to pick up leather armor and wear it as medium armor or not? What if they take off their armor and give it to another character? Does it work as leather or medium armor?
In this case, probably the best house rule would be a character specific ability that lets them use light armor as the corresponding medium armor instead.
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2023-01-25, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
Not to mention that the PHB flat out says refluff whatever you want so long as it doesn't change the mechanics.
I have multiple characters that are wielding "shields" that take up their offhand, cost a certain amount of gold and have a certain weight.
They consist of an armored sleeve, a hammer, a reinforced scabbard, a... you get the idea.
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2023-01-25, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
I think Tanarii has the right of it. The line between refluffing and straight up changing mechanics can be blurry. In this case, being made of metal makes a difference.
Similarly, gold cost and weight are fine, but it takes an action to don a shield. So as long as it takes an action to wield that armored scabbard, should be fine.Castlevania II: Dracula's Curse
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2023-01-25, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
Brigandine. Leather armor with metal reinforcement underneath.
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2023-01-25, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
Specially considering the difference between Splint Mail and Bridandine IRL is literally rather or not the metal is visible on the top layer.
So, here's a fun IRL "reflavor" thing. I've fought in the SCA and I've seen people go about armor two ways (to massively generalize). One is to have plate on the outside, obvious metal and armor. The other is to make it out of something even better, like Kydex, and wearing it under tunics, tabbards, etc.
I've been "Fully" armored while appearing to be in anything from simple clothes to a noble's coat to a dress.
I said no change to mechanics, that would include the action to don. But in the same breath, I often don't stress that with real shields either.Last edited by Pixel_Kitsune; 2023-01-25 at 04:18 PM.
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2023-01-25, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
"Reinforced Leather" is not in the PHB. Leather armor is and studded leather is. "Reinforced Leather" is not. You're not turning "Leather Armor" into a medium class armor, you're grabbing a suit of Splint and putting a Post-It note on it saying "Reinforced Leather".
For example, you need to decide what happens if the character's armor is destroyed or they find magical studded/leather. Do they get to pick up leather armor and wear it as medium armor or not? What if they take off their armor and give it to another character? Does it work as leather or medium armor?
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2023-01-25, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
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2023-01-25, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
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2023-01-26, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
No, Studded Leather is Studded Leather. The description might involve reinforcement but "Reinforced Leather" is not in the PHB.
Or call it some other sort of "leather". I have no clue why you're making this so incredibly obtuse for no good reason. Are you this worried about there being multiple armors of multiple types made out of metal? Heck, there's already Hide Armor listed under Medium which is made out of animal skin and the game hasn't broken down yet. So, hey, Reinforced Hide Armor -- looks like leather, works like Splint. And no "Studded Hide" to get worried about.Last edited by Jophiel; 2023-01-26 at 12:08 AM.
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2023-01-26, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
PHB 144.
Studded Leather. Made from tough but flexible leather, studded leather is reinforced with close-set rivets or spikes.
You don't get to claim it's not in the PHB because reinforced leather doesn't have a label/name "reinforced leather". That's not how rules definitions work.
It's the equivalent of selecting Firebolt as a cantrip, renaming it Ball of Fire, and the replacing its rules with the Fireball rules.Last edited by Tanarii; 2023-01-26 at 10:25 AM.
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2023-01-26, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
Cool, so, fun fact... If, instead, we use leather reinforced with metal plates instead of rivets, or carapace from a creature, or we take the fact that studded leather is for some reason NOT treated and hardened leather like leather is and so combine the hardened leather with reinforcement.
OR... You take a suit of whichever armor you want and put a layer of leather over it for flavor and move on.
Honestly, what is your argument here? As for your cantrip analogy, no. It would be like if you were making a full on water themed mage selected the firebolt cantrip and reflavored it as a burst of steam rising up from beneath the target while still being a ranged spell attack that does 1d10 fire damage.Last edited by Pixel_Kitsune; 2023-01-26 at 10:45 AM.
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2023-01-26, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2023-01-26, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
It's not. Not at all.
How much does this Reinforced Leather Armor cost? 750 GP.
How much does it weigh? 40 lbs.
What AC does it give? 15+Dex Mod (Max 2 without MAM, 3 with it).
What does it do to Stealth rolls? Disadvantage, unless you have MAM.
In your example, you're massively altering the mechanics.
In the example that's pertinent to the thread, the mechanics are identical-only the looks are changed.I have a LOT of Homebrew!
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2023-01-29, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
I like Medium Armor Master, it is a good bump in AC for dex builds in early levels, expands loot options, and a good option for diversified stat lines (such as cleric and hexblade).
I have no problems recommending it.My sig is something witty.
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2023-01-30, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Medium Armor Master is a decent feat- for an absolute beginner.
Ask the kid which he prefers.
Personally I'd include the option of SS (and Archery FS) vs MAM vs Alert vs revenant blade (and waive the elf requirement - it's just cool and might be perfect for the little dude)
I'd also explain the options of leather, studded leather, breast plate, etc too.
Let the kid choose (unless he tells you to choose for him).
I'll also throw out, if a PC wears 1/2 plate they can doff the extra bits to go breast plate and stealth at any time. It only takes 1 minute to doff med armor, 30 seconds if another PC helps, and (if the DM allows) even less time because you aren't doffing the breast plate, just the other bits ...