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    Are there any 3.x weapons with a 19-20x3 crit? If so, what book(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly View Post
    Are there any 3.x weapons with a 19-20x3 crit? If so, what book(s)?
    Uh, you could get an axe or a spear or something and get the improved critical feat , which puts the crit range at 19-20/x3, or, you could get an axe or a spear and make it a keen weapon (+1, I believe) which also gets the crit range to 19-20/x3.

    Apart from that, I'm not aware of any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly View Post
    Are there any 3.x weapons with a 19-20x3 crit? If so, what book(s)?
    I'm reasonably sure that none of those exist, because the design rule for crits is that they either give a better multiplier, or a better range, but not both.

    Not counting effects that modify the base weapon, such as improving the range with Keenness, or the multiplier with charging.
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    Ghost Spike DR348, exotic double weapon, on end has 19-20/x2 and the other has 19-20/x3. That's it.

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    Yes. It's a toothpick. It does 1d1-1 damage and sunders after one attack that does more than 1 damage from strength bonus.

    On a more serious note, I don't think there is. The concept of a weapon with both those abilities on one weapon is somewhat inherently broken. Twice as many crits and 1.5 times the damage puts it well above most weapons even if it were doing a d4 of damage.

    Mind you, if we're including magic weapons, then it's simply a matter of a keen greataxe.

    If you're that desperate for such a potent weapon as mundane though, there were some custom rules in the homebrew section for creating weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dairun Cates View Post
    On a more serious note, I don't think there is. The concept of a weapon with both those abilities on one weapon is somewhat inherently broken. Twice as many crits and 1.5 times the damage puts it well above most weapons even if it were doing a d4 of damage.
    Like the Legacy kukri that ends up with 15-20x4 for its crits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEO|Phyte View Post
    Like the Legacy kukri that ends up with 15-20x4 for its crits?
    I'm going to guess that there's a typo involved here like the Naginata with the 19-30 crit range or some designer was drunk that week.

    Edit: Also, I'm a bit fuzzy since I don't usually run D&D but isn't Legacy a non-mundane effect that's added onto a weapon? I'm assuming he's asking for mundane items with that effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dairun Cates View Post
    I'm going to guess that there's a typo involved here like the Naginata with the 19-30 crit range or some designer was drunk that week.

    Edit: Also, I'm a bit fuzzy since I don't usually run D&D but isn't Legacy a non-mundane effect that's added onto a weapon? I'm assuming he's asking for mundane items with that effect.
    Its not a typo, its a +1 Keen kukri that has its multiplier improve to x3 and later x4 as part of its legacy abilities.

    Legacy weapons are one-of-a-kind weapons that require specific rituals and personal sacrifices (HP loss, Attack & save penalties) to unlock their abilities.
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    I read in some book that, as people pointed out, weapons give either a good multiplier, or a good threat. Only way to enhance it is with feats of magic.
    The only weapons that breaks this rule are firearm, that have usually 19-20/x3 or better.
    I think that info is in the DMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dairun Cates View Post
    I'm going to guess that there's a typo involved here like the Naginata with the 19-30 crit range or some designer was drunk that week.

    Edit: Also, I'm a bit fuzzy since I don't usually run D&D but isn't Legacy a non-mundane effect that's added onto a weapon? I'm assuming he's asking for mundane items with that effect.
    You usually have to give up BAB to get a legacy weapon, so it isn't that amazing. I suspect that part of the increase counts as the weapon's "keen"-style critical increase, too, so other critical-enchancing effects don't stack with it.
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    There's a weapon in the Eberron Campaign Setting with such a big crit I'm pretty sure it's a typo. I think it's 19-20/x4 or something equally ridiculous like that. The name escapes me at the moment and I'm away from my books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brennus View Post
    There's a weapon in the Eberron Campaign Setting with such a big crit I'm pretty sure it's a typo. I think it's 19-20/x4 or something equally ridiculous like that. The name escapes me at the moment and I'm away from my books.
    Talenta Sharrash, and it was indeed errata'd to 19-20/x2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquillion View Post
    You usually have to give up BAB to get a legacy weapon, so it isn't that amazing. I suspect that part of the increase counts as the weapon's "keen"-style critical increase, too, so other critical-enchancing effects don't stack with it.
    You give up AB, not BAB. Subtle, yet important, difference.

    EDIT: Also, I am having horrible, horrible visions of a Psychic Warrior/Psychic Weaponmaster who focuses on the kukri and has the Tiger Claw kukri. 13-20/x5 critical. Throw in two levels of Mythic Exemplar of Sunyarta for 12-20/x5 crits. Hooray!
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    Look at Minotaur in the Monster Manual 4, there is a weapon in their section called Minotaur Greathammer. It does 1d12 damage and crits 19-20/x4. BEST WEAPON EVER! Sorry, just had to yell that last bit...
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    No mention of the Greathorn Minotaur Greathammer? 19-20/x4... well depending on who you ask...

    Edit: Ninja'd by a a minute while I looked for a source...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fendrin View Post
    Talenta Sharrash, and it was indeed errata'd to 19-20/x2.
    As I was sadly disappointed to find out.

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    A Psychic Warrior/Psychic Weapon Master/Master Thrower using the Throw Anything Feat or a few levels of Bloodstorm Blade can end up with a (17-20)*6 weapon, or a (13-20)*4 weapon. Though its worth mentioning that its for a limited number of times per day. Most of the time you'll be wielding a (17-20)*5 weapon or a (13-20)*3 weapon.

    Also, its important to note that improving your crit ability is mathematically usually a very inefficient way to improve your expected damage per round, even with special abilities and magic that only takes effect when you crit. In addition, a large number of enemies are immune to crits. So I rarely do anything to improve it beyond buying a scabbard of keen edges.

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    Did they ever print the Khopesh? I remember seeing it in some obscure book and then later in DDO. It was a 1d8 19-20/x3, Exotic Weapon, naturally...

    Don't know if it ever went official, but that might do it... assuming it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person_Man View Post
    A Psychic Warrior/Psychic Weapon Master/Master Thrower using the Throw Anything Feat or a few levels of Bloodstorm Blade can end up with a (17-20)*6 weapon, or a (13-20)*4 weapon. Though its worth mentioning that its for a limited number of times per day. Most of the time you'll be wielding a (17-20)*5 weapon or a (13-20)*3 weapon.

    Also, its important to note that improving your crit ability is mathematically usually a very inefficient way to improve your expected damage per round, even with special abilities and magic that only takes effect when you crit. In addition, a large number of enemies are immune to crits. So I rarely do anything to improve it beyond buying a scabbard of keen edges.
    My DM, for whatever reason, has decided a critical hit = auto hit. Soooo, you can see the appeal of having a wide threat range (err, automatic hit something range). Also, it's 3.0, where keen and improved critical stack. I also found a cool spell called spikes which doubles the crit range, and also stacks. The sword has to be wooden, but hey, that's what iron wood's for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dairun Cates View Post
    Yes. It's a toothpick. It does 1d1-1 damage and sunders after one attack that does more than 1 damage from strength bonus.
    Sadly enough, that weapon would be broken. Combine it with the Aura of Chaos from ToB, and you have an infinite damage weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly View Post
    My DM, for whatever reason, has decided a critical hit = auto hit. Soooo, you can see the appeal of having a wide threat range (err, automatic hit something range). Also, it's 3.0, where keen and improved critical stack. I also found a cool spell called spikes which doubles the crit range, and also stacks. The sword has to be wooden, but hey, that's what iron wood's for!
    The orc shotput from Sword and Fist is a 19-20/x3 ranged weapon. But if critical threats are auto-hits, then say hello to bladed gauntlets, also from S&F, which get a 17-20/x2 threat range right off the bat.

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    Bladed gauntlets with levels in the Disiple of Dispator prc and improved crit for a threat range of 5-20 (I think). Then take the lightning mace style feat (extra attack when you threaten a critical) and enchant your weapons with that ability that allows you to treat them as any weapon for the purpose of feats (think it's called aptitude. Not sure about that or the source though). Now if only power attacking with gauntlets didn't suck so bad.

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    Bladed gauntlets with levels in the Disiple of Dispator prc and improved crit for a threat range of 5-20 (I think). Then take the lightning mace style feat (extra attack when you threaten a critical) and enchant your weapons with that ability that allows you to treat them as any weapon for the purpose of feats (think it's called aptitude. Not sure about that or the source though). Now if only power attacking with gauntlets didn't suck so bad.
    If he's playing 3.0, all weapons PA at a 1:1 ratio, regardless of size. So there's no comparitive advantage to using a two hander except for a little extra strength bonus to damage. If you can pull off 5-20 threat, with either the disciple or that wood spell he mentions, you could power attack for full all the time with no real disadvantages. You could even TWF effectively without taking the feats (although if you wanted Imp TWF, you'd still have to spend the feats). Of course, all this might convince the DM that his houserule is absurd, and cause him to repeal it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr awesome phd View Post
    Did they ever print the Khopesh? I remember seeing it in some obscure book and then later in DDO. It was a 1d8 19-20/x3, Exotic Weapon, naturally...

    Don't know if it ever went official, but that might do it... assuming it has.

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    Sadly enough, that weapon would be broken. Combine it with the Aura of Chaos from ToB, and you have an infinite damage weapon.
    Ah, but you're re-rolling 1d1-1 each time. So you'll just be rolling 0's for infinity.

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    Ah, but you're re-rolling 1d1-1 each time. So you'll just be rolling 0's for infinity.
    The minimum damage for an attack is 1. So you'd still be doing infinite damage.
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    Ah, but you're re-rolling 1d1-1 each time. So you'll just be rolling 0's for infinity.
    Yeah, and of course you wouldn't even think of using one if you had a strength modifier...

    The only weapon I can think of this the Orc Shotput from A&EG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fendrin View Post
    Talenta Sharrash, and it was indeed errata'd to 19-20/x2.
    Well I looked it up and the Errata is wrong as far as Mr. Baker is concerned. In one of the Ask Keith Baker threads he was asked asked about it and said it should have a 19-20/x3 critical and said 19-20/x4 was a mistake. Honestly the weapon is very sub-par with out it, I don't see how it can be a 19-20/x2 weapon and still have users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly View Post
    My DM, for whatever reason, has decided a critical hit = auto hit.
    Well, I imagine that if you try to break the crit rules even further, he'll probably change his mind. But at least you'll get a fun game session out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StickMan View Post
    Well I looked it up and the Errata is wrong as far as Mr. Baker is concerned. In one of the Ask Keith Baker threads he was asked asked about it and said it should have a 19-20/x3 critical and said 19-20/x4 was a mistake. Honestly the weapon is very sub-par with out it, I don't see how it can be a 19-20/x2 weapon and still have users.
    That's not what he said. http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archi...x.php/t-287579 . (Search for "Sharrash".)
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