The Tarot Club II

[Persolus]

My power doesn't have a result as such to share. Do you want me to claim? Give a good reason why, coz I'm not convinced.

Here is the reason: we are down to 5 living, and based on the fact that we had 2 neutrals, there's a very good chance we only have 1 wolf left.
We can possibly solve this today.

[rogue_alchemist]

Alright I'll pressure Allando for now.



In the subforum, you see the "replies: 244"? Click the 244.
Also that doesn't say much; we're all about the same except pers and Snow who have like over double the posts.

I agree it is interesting to pressure someone who has already shared, and not a smart move over all.

On an entirely different note, do you guys get here through the subforums regularly? I just have the thread subscribed and come here direction from my subscriptions, which does not have that info. Also it is interested to point out that I am technically the second lowest poster still alive when everyone else is within 2 posts of the same with me except Persolus. This only validates my point that we all need to be way more active to solve this and not let the wolves skate by with an easy pass because 1 very active person points town in a specific direction.

Caedorus, I know we would all like potential game-solving information, unfortunately it is hard to know when to claim and how much to reveal and what can be figured out from which information each person has available. Also vaguely saying Reasons implies you think you have a good reason (presumably based on power info, yours or someone else's used on you), without revealing the nature of that info so that your role cannot be solved. If counter information exists, then that should be brought up and discussed and *THEN* it becomes more neccessary to share those Reasons and their exact natures for town to be able to figure out who is correct.

[Persolus]

@RA Sorry, i was only looking at order of post count, not at actual volume - yes you're correct there's not much of a difference between all of the living with the exception of me. Disregard my previous comment on that.
Also 100% about the "pointing town in a specific direction." Even though I'm town and have knowledge, I also have a brain that has a tendency to go in the completely wrong way.

[rogue_alchemist]

@RA Sorry, i was only looking at order of post count, not at actual volume - yes you're correct there's not much of a difference between all of the living with the exception of me. Disregard my previous comment on that.
Also 100% about the "pointing town in a specific direction." Even though I'm town and have knowledge, I also have a brain that has a tendency to go in the completely wrong way.

Feel free to throw out your thoughts, I am not trying to call you out as taking the lead, I am calling everyone else to step up and join the discussion.

[Caedorus]

Claiming will not solve the game. The wolves have roles, bc they're independant of alignment. Claiming now is only good for wolves.
If nothing happens till EOD will change vote to Persolus.

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The more I think about it, the more sus it gets. Persolus

Also I won't reveal what but my role has a good reason why I can't have been buddies with Illven. Let's try this "Reasons" thing.

[Persolus]

Claiming will not solve the game. The wolves have roles, bc they're independant of alignment. Claiming now is only good for wolves.
If nothing happens till EOD will change vote to Persolus.

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The more I think about it, the more sus it gets. Persolus

Also I won't reveal what but my role has a good reason why I can't have been buddies with Illven. Let's try this "Reasons" thing.
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this is an ... interesting dichotomy?

[Caedorus]

Illven did something they wouldn't've if I'd been wolf. Aaand I'm the nightkill.

[Persolus]

Illven did something they wouldn't've if I'd been wolf. Aaand I'm the nightkill.

So this is you claiming that you have information that would've helped Illven?

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Sure, I'll do stuff. Seer test Caedorus?

Pfft, nah, I've done that one too recently, gotta let it cool off. I'll think of some wildly original way to throw chaos and confusion into D2, just you wait.

Also still waiting on this.

[Persolus]

WAIT HANG ON

Assuming we only have one wolf left, Xi is mechanically cleared.

[rogue_alchemist]

WAIT HANG ON

Assuming we only have one wolf left, Xi is mechanically cleared.

Did you catch it?

[Persolus]

Did you catch it?

...?

Ohhh.
This is in addition to Allando's clear, which i didn't realise until now.

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by which i mean, the clear made by allando, not a clear of​ allando.

[Xihirli]

Hi everyone I spent the whole day being politically active!

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So this is you claiming that you have information that would've helped Illven?

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Also still waiting on this.

I was busy doing FREEDOM!

[Caedorus]

WAIT HANG ON

Assuming we only have one wolf left, Xi is mechanically cleared.

Now I'm interested. How? Is this a power result or an observation?

Both me and Illven have a protect power. We'd have been immortal.

Sure, Illven wouldn't have gotten to use her bane, but that's a small price for being literally unkillable and unscryable (I think? My power does that, but I'm not clear if Illvens does).

Also as of today I get to know everyone who targets me and everything that targets whoever I'm protecting.

I'm hoping the WIFOM will stop the wolves from nking me.

[rogue_alchemist]

Hi everyone I spent the whole day being politically active!

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I was busy doing FREEDOM!

Okay, great, you were politically active IRL, now can you be politically active here and vote?!

[Caedorus]

Okay, great, you were politically active IRL, now can you be politically active here and vote?!

Tone down plz

[rogue_alchemist]

Tone down plz

roger, didn't mean it harsh, just replying quickly. We have 7ish hours left and only 3 out of 5 people voting.

[Xihirli]

I am also interested in how I'm mechanically cleared. Because me and Allando, who by the way never answered my question, targeted one another last night?

[rogue_alchemist]

I am also interested in how I'm mechanically cleared. Because me and Allando, who by the way never answered my question, targeted one another last night?

Alright, we know Allando's power (or at least one of his powers) is to steal your results, meaning you wouldn't get your result. I also have information on this exchange that happened. I would like to hear what results were received by both parties, especially to make you target him again.

[Persolus]

Alright, we know Allando's power (or at least one of his powers) is to steal your results, meaning you wouldn't get your result. I also have information on this exchange that happened. I would like to hear what results were received by both parties, especially to make you target him again.

Simple. Xihirli was voided, but there was still a night kill.

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This also happens to match with Allando's results - he got Failure for Xihirli.
This wouldn't be the case if Xihirli had been the wolf - he would have gotten both Failure (for whatever power Xi has) and Success (for the night kill).

[Allando]

Woo, a lot happened since I was last online. Sorry for that, I've been quite busy.

Ohhh i see, that makes sense!


...pressure is interesting given that Allando has given us all the info already. Pressure usually is put on someone who isn't answering questions; for example, Caedorus, what sort of power do you have? Did you get anything out of it last night?

As I explicitly stated in my post, my having given my role does not clear me. It doesn't. I could still be wolf and I don't understand why everyone is so convinced me sharing my role means I'm not.

My power doesn't have a result as such to share. Do you want me to claim? Give a good reason why, coz I'm not convinced.

Again, since power and alignment are unrelated, I have to agree with Caed on this one.

Claiming will not solve the game. The wolves have roles, bc they're independant of alignment. Claiming now is only good for wolves.
If nothing happens till EOD will change vote to Persolus.

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The more I think about it, the more sus it gets. Persolus

Also I won't reveal what but my role has a good reason why I can't have been buddies with Illven. Let's try this "Reasons" thing.

Precisely. Persolus, since you wanted people to vote.

I am also interested in how I'm mechanically cleared. Because me and Allando, who by the way never answered my question, targeted one another last night?

I must have missed your question, sorry. What was it? I'll check to see if I can find it.
About why Xi is cleared, no clue?

Simple. Xihirli was voided, but there was still a night kill.

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This also happens to match with Allando's results - he got Failure for Xihirli.
This wouldn't be the case if Xihirli had been the wolf - he would have gotten both Failure (for whatever power Xi has) and Success (for the night kill).

I'm not sure I also get the result for the nightkill. That aside, why was Xi voided? Who voided Xi?

[Caedorus]

Simple. Xihirli was voided, but there was still a night kill.

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This also happens to match with Allando's results - he got Failure for Xihirli.
This wouldn't be the case if Xihirli had been the wolf - he would have gotten both Failure (for whatever power Xi has) and Success (for the night kill).

Hesitatingly giving towncred because a wolf wouldn't have revealed this.
But WIFOM.

Votecount:

Allando (1): Xihirli
Persolus (1): Caedorus
Caedorus (1): Rogue_Alchemist

We're not really on our way to lynch someone. With less than four hours left, I'm still waiting on an Allando and Persolus vote; why haven't you yet, btw, Pers? You've definitely posted and been online.

[Allando]

Who is still alive?

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I asked Book if I'd get the "success" result as well if Xi were the wolf and he answered no comment.
Hum. Interesting.

[Book Wombat]

Living players:

• Persolus
• Caedorus
• rogue_alchemist
• Allando
• Xihirli

[Persolus]

Hesitatingly giving towncred because a wolf wouldn't have revealed this.
But WIFOM.

Votecount:

Allando (1): Xihirli
Persolus (1): Caedorus
Caedorus (1): Rogue_Alchemist

We're not really on our way to lynch someone. With less than four hours left, I'm still waiting on an Allando and Persolus vote; why haven't you yet, btw, Pers? You've definitely posted and been online.

...um, I'm fairly certain I voted on you?

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Who is still alive?

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I asked Book if I'd get the "success" result as well if Xi were the wolf and he answered no comment.
Hum. Interesting.

However, I do know that my power would tell me if Xi could have done last night's kill.

[Allando]

Living players:

• Persolus
• Caedorus
• rogue_alchemist
• Allando
• Xihirli

Thanks. That means that indeed, persolus, I think you are the last to vote.
Persolus (2): Caedorus, Allando
Caedorus (1): rogue_alchemist
Allando (1): Xihirli
Xihirli, rogue_alchemist (0)

I don't think Caedorus is the wolf, too much solving.
I don't think Xihirli is the wolf, me having gotten failure indeed means that they probably were roleblocked; and their play comes across as town (as far as it's not just random chaos).
I don't think Persolus is the wolf because they have pointed out that it can't have been Xihirli. Might be brave - or desperate - wolfplay though.
I know it's not me.
Rogue_alchemist... While your play hasn't been exactly wolfy, I must vote you. However, I am hesitant to make a four-way tie.
I'll vote alchemist if someone else does.
Thank you, Book Wombat, for allowing me to organise my thinking.

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...um, I'm fairly certain I voted on you?

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However, I do know that my power would tell me if Xi could have done last night's kill.

Oh. I'll update the votecount, and maybe reconsider.
Persolus (2): Caedorus, Allando
Caedorus (2): rogue_alchemist, Persolus
Allando (1): Xihirli
Xihirli, rogue_alchemist (0)

Also, you just softclaimed baner. Care to make that more explicit?

[Persolus]

Thanks. That means that indeed, persolus, I think you are the last to vote.
Persolus (2): Caedorus, Allando
Caedorus (1): rogue_alchemist
Allando (1): Xihirli
Xihirli, rogue_alchemist (0)

I don't think Caedorus is the wolf, too much solving.
I don't think Xihirli is the wolf, me having gotten failure indeed means that they probably were roleblocked; and their play comes across as town (as far as it's not just random chaos).
I don't think Persolus is the wolf because they have pointed out that it can't have been Xihirli. Might be brave - or desperate - wolfplay though.
I know it's not me.
Rogue_alchemist... While your play hasn't been exactly wolfy, I must vote you. However, I am hesitant to make a four-way tie.
I'll vote alchemist if someone else does.
Thank you, Book Wombat, for allowing me to organise my thinking.

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Oh. I'll update the votecount, and maybe reconsider.
Persolus (2): Caedorus, Allando
Caedorus (2): rogue_alchemist, Persolus
Allando (1): Xihirli
Xihirli, rogue_alchemist (0)

Also, you just softclaimed baner. Care to make that more explicit?

I voted Caedorus quite a while back in this day.

I did not softclaim Baner. Xi was Voided by one of you guys, and as a result no action was caused by her. That's my power. I know who does an action each night.

And, as I clarified, this action includes a night kill, which is assigned to a specific person.

That's how I knew it was a 1/4 chance on D1 - those were the 4 people to have acted. R_A was voided N1, so his name was crossed out on my list of actors.
Similarly, last night, Xihirli's name was crossed out.

[rogue_alchemist]

Alright so I'm trying to go back and do some analysis.

Spoiler: Caedorus

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*anxiously rereading discord to see if I promised death to someone*
*relief when not*
Tempted to vote Allando but don't want to start a wagon.
Tempted to say "I promisded to kill Xumtiil and Xihirli is close enough" but see above.
Tempted to vote Snow because they're such a good wolf but see above v2.0
All the good spots are taken, I'm too late :(
Of those three, the only person who voted on one of my spots who doesn't have a vote is Batcathat.

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GAAAAAAHHHH GET OUT OF MY BRAIN YOU

If I'm going to start a wagon I'm going to place it where I want it.
Allando, both bc they were my random vote and for stealing my spot.

Caedorus voted Allando D1, stating it was random, but also like they wanted to vote them. technically he changed his vote but it was very quick and very early in the day without moving it again.

I feel like that is either extremely lazy or intentional bussing just to fly under the radar, with little information given. D2 was not much better (but has already been analyzed earlier).

Ilven did a "wolf" read, which is interesting to digest in light of her flipping wolf.

Let's see, my level of wolf sus on everyone in order from They have rabies, to is probably town.

Persolus (Seems super eager to play and post in this game, and has even started rp'ing even though they said they might be busy with another game. They were OH SO CLOSE to posting in wolf chat last game, and expressed interest in at last getting into wolf chat there)
Rogue Alchemist (on a re-read accusing Blade of being wolfy for adding an additional vote near the start of an extra long day, seems like wolf trying to kill another player. Also the last minute vote switch on a townie, in addition they immediately jumped on my notice that Xi failed to actually vote in a way that strikes me as trying to guide the converstation away from their last minute firedrill. Also the "good catch" feels a bit pockety?)
Allando (Last minute vote switch on a townie, this is lower then RA cause this was also a vote of self preservation.)
Caedorus (Enigmatic roleplay. If I want to stretch has Caedorus actually seen Snow as a wolf? But then again, neither have I and I've heard that Snow is terrifying as a wolf. Along with Ti, and Vecna)
Xi (I actually think Xi is a neutral trying to play both sides to survive. Just a feeling I have, but it could just be Xi being well Xi.)
Bladescape (I feel like a wolf wouldn't call attention to the fact that they started the wagon on a townie, and would instead immediately point the finger to the late day vote switches.)
Snowblaze (I can't kill my.....date.....girlfriend.....one night stand?)

So my thought process is that Persolus is either a wolf. Or Rogue Alchemist and Allando are paired wolves.

I feel there has to be 2 wolves, cause we know there's a neutral. If we started with 3 wolves, then we are currently at 4-1-3. Today could very well be Lylo, I think?

What are we, miss Snow?

So Persolus is called as strongest wolf read, which I think further clears him. Me and Allando in the top three would be a good place to hide a wolf buddy, and I know I am town, which puts pressure on Allando; however with the pairing of me and Allando, it could be that she buried the lead down to #4, which is.... Caedorus, my current suspect. Xi, Blade and Snow also seem pretty cleared because burying your wolf-buddy down that low won't get you any town-cred. So my top two wolf-leads off of this are Caedorus and Allando.

Xi is probably town or neutral.

Not wolf though.

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Allando's reaction is worse.

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Even if Illven is wolf with Allando or by herself, I'm not voting her today.

I'm ignoring and half-defending her today.

Blade calls Xi town, but then ignores/half-defends Illven, so I guess take that with a grain of salt. Blade was netural and didn't have any intel to say he knew Illven was wolf, just doesn't look the best in hindsight.

Then there was this strange exchange involving Xihirli.

Xihirli, are you saying you do have an ability and that you just don't want to reveal it yet?

If so, i am very nervous about D2.

I don't know, Snowblaze, do I have a power?

Eh, kinda already did, the remake is never quite as good.

I take that to mean that Xi is claiming to have targeted Snow, who someone knew she was targeted and all of this interaction confirmed Xi is town to Snow, who never doubted her. If she is waiting for Allandro to help in a similar manner, I am afraid she will be disappointed.

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This is no way a full claim, but last night I was able to watch and I chose Allando, who I saw targeted Xi and was targeted by Xi, but then BW said Xi was voided, so maybe didn't technically get to target anyone? I am not clear what it means that BW gave me the extra info about Xi being voided, when I was watching Allando, besides correcting a mistake and I already have more info than I should. Since I could see who Allando targeted, I am willing to clear them as town. Xi seems pretty much confirmed town, Persolus seems very towny, I know I am town, so I only have Caedorus left to vote.

[Persolus]

Alright so I'm trying to go back and do some analysis.

Spoiler: Caedorus

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Caedorus voted Allando D1, stating it was random, but also like they wanted to vote them. technically he changed his vote but it was very quick and very early in the day without moving it again.

I feel like that is either extremely lazy or intentional bussing just to fly under the radar, with little information given. D2 was not much better (but has already been analyzed earlier).

Ilven did a "wolf" read, which is interesting to digest in light of her flipping wolf.



So Persolus is called as strongest wolf read, which I think further clears him. Me and Allando in the top three would be a good place to hide a wolf buddy, and I know I am town, which puts pressure on Allando; however with the pairing of me and Allando, it could be that she buried the lead down to #4, which is.... Caedorus, my current suspect. Xi, Blade and Snow also seem pretty cleared because burying your wolf-buddy down that low won't get you any town-cred. So my top two wolf-leads off of this are Caedorus and Allando.



Blade calls Xi town, but then ignores/half-defends Illven, so I guess take that with a grain of salt. Blade was netural and didn't have any intel to say he knew Illven was wolf, just doesn't look the best in hindsight.

Then there was this strange exchange involving Xihirli.






I take that to mean that Xi is claiming to have targeted Snow, who someone knew she was targeted and all of this interaction confirmed Xi is town to Snow, who never doubted her. If she is waiting for Allandro to help in a similar manner, I am afraid she will be disappointed.

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This is no way a full claim, but last night I was able to watch and I chose Allando, who I saw targeted Xi and was targeted by Xi, but then BW said Xi was voided, so maybe didn't technically get to target anyone? I am not clear what it means that BW gave me the extra info about Xi being voided, when I was watching Allando, besides correcting a mistake and I already have more info than I should. Since I could see who Allando targeted, I am willing to clear them as town. Xi seems pretty much confirmed town, Persolus seems very towny, I know I am town, so I only have Caedorus left to vote.

Xihirli claimed to have "stabbed" caedorus

Voiding means that the action didn't happen, not that the target wasn't chosen.

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​Rogue_Alchemist

[Allando]

Xihirli claimed to have "stabbed" caedorus

Voiding means that the action didn't happen, not that the target wasn't chosen.

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​Rogue_Alchemist

​Rogue_Alchemist as promised.
I have to make dinner, I'll try to be online for EOD but don't know if I'll make it.

[rogue_alchemist]

Well since I have a strong desire to live and not be lynched, I'll switch my vote to match Xihirli, who is my strongest town read not currently voting me.

Allando. I am happy to have some votes, and discussion around me, but I am town. Since it might matter: My full claim is:

I have 3 potions. I can bane a kill against myself, I can bane all powers directed at me, or I can watch (see who targeted my target and who my target targeted). My passive ability is I get to reuse a previously used potion 1 times. I have already used my Watcher potion on N2. I tried to use it N1 on Snowblaze, but got blocked (likely by Bladescape, though I have no further confirmation than what is publicly posted about that). I don't have access to my Discord at work, which I will be at for the next 2 hours, so I can't copy the exact wording until after day ends.

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and if it matters the vote count is:

Rogue_alchemist (2): Allando, Persolus
Allando (2): Xihirli, Rogue_alchemist
Persolus (1): Caedorus