Baldur's Gate 3- What does fried Nautiloid taste like?

[Jophiel]

Yes, I did things in that order. When the fight starts,

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you'll need to pass a pretty tough social check to keep her focused on you, but if you clear that, the victim is safe.

You can actually skip that by

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Taking a side passage around the sacrifice area and into Orin's chambers. Talk to the corpse of her mother and you'll learn enough information that you can goad her into attacking you without needing any DC checks at all.

[Psyren]

You can actually skip that by

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Taking a side passage around the sacrifice area and into Orin's chambers. Talk to the corpse of her mother and you'll learn enough information that you can goad her into attacking you without needing any DC checks at all.

Ooh nice, I saw that back there afterward and was wondering what it was for. But I don't mind putting my Persuasion Expertise to good use either

[Eldonauran]

Dragon Throat songs are an ... acquired taste, I'm sure.

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Sorry, Quil. It was you or Alfira.

[Eldan]

Welp, I just accidentally killed Halsin in act 1.

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Specifically: come across goblin children throwing rocks at bear. Bear asks me for help. Assume that yes, the bear is the druid. But I also feel very good for sneaking my way in with the goblins and tricking them. Didn't want to get the goblins all hostile, so I clicked what I thought was the "walk away" option. THinking I could step away, make a plan, maybe involving stealth.

Nope. Druid sees that as siding with the goblins. Fight ensues. Try using sleep and charm person to charm the bear down. Doesn't work, there's too many goblins, they kill him anyway.

Whoops. Not sure if I should reload.

[Anonymouswizard]

While I haven't done it on this run my favourite giving into the urge moment is

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eating Gale's hand instead of rescuing him. Omnomnomnom.

[Cikomyr2]

There's a whole trope for this, though not all of them occur during the boss fight itself. And yes, the boss fight in question absolutely belongs on that page

I cleared the DC 30 check to convince Yurgir to switch sides so the fight ended up way, way easier than all the build up led me to believe it would. Expertise in Persuasion FTW!

As for other boss-sings-their-own-song examples that I enjoy, "Great Mighty Poo" from Conker's Bad Fur Day and "King Dice" from Cuphead come to mind.

I did the same, with Inspiration managed to get a Nat 20.

This game is so stupid it gets me to genuinely cheer loudly when i do get a nat 20 on important skill checks. I love it.

But the boss fight we talked about, i found it trivial once i realized

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Hope was a level 10 cleric and could cast Divine Intervention, which is a full resurrection on 1x +long rest to all your nondead party members.

So when i had Raphael down to 40% of his HP with his flunkies dead, and things started to look tight, this was a literal deus ex machina for me.

Thematically fitting id say, to defeat a Devil in.. HER own house.

[Rynjin]

Question, what save is it to resist the Urge? Wisdom? I want to maximize my chances of resisting it when I finally get around to that.

Usually it's actually NOT a save, it's entirely based on your choices. There's a few key examples where Wis saves are needed though. Not worth building your character around; just save scum if need be.

[Psyren]

Whoops. Not sure if I should reload.

Without him your Act 2 is going to have a pretty bleak/bittersweet ending. Not sure if that's the playthrough you're going for.

While I haven't done it on this run my favourite giving into the urge moment is

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eating Gale's hand instead of rescuing him. Omnomnomnom.

Can you imagine having a week that bad from his POV?

But the boss fight we talked about, i found it trivial once i realized

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Hope was a level 10 cleric and could cast Divine Intervention, which is a full resurrection on 1x +long rest to all your nondead party members.

So when i had Raphael down to 40% of his HP with his flunkies dead, and things started to look tight, this was a literal deus ex machina for me.

Thematically fitting id say, to defeat a Devil in.. HER own house.

Considering you have to put the work in to free her, and she's BARELY sane enough to even help you do so, I don't consider it a Deus Ex at all. It's rewarding you for being both thorough and merciful, which is exactly what Paragon runs are for!

[Cikomyr2]

Considering you have to put the work in to free her, and she's BARELY sane enough to even help you do so, I don't consider it a Deus Ex at all. It's rewarding you for being both thorough and merciful, which is exactly what Paragon runs are for!

What kind of work? You just need to reach her once you have the means of freeing her. Its not an especially difficult fight.

I feel the real hard part is

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getting an invitation to the Boudoir so you can access the infinite insta-recovery pipes

That is "delicate" and you can fail. But is there any way you can bungle this entire adventure so you dont get to go free your friend downstairs?

[Bunny Commando]

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getting an invitation to the Boudoir so you can access the infinite insta-recovery pipes

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You do not actually need an invitation. You can get access through the balcony, there's a hidden path on the rocks.

[Psyren]

What kind of work? You just need to reach her once you have the means of freeing her. Its not an especially difficult fight.

I feel the real hard part is

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getting an invitation to the Boudoir so you can access the infinite insta-recovery pipes

That is "delicate" and you can fail. But is there any way you can bungle this entire adventure so you dont get to go free your friend downstairs?

1) You don't need an invitation to access the Boudoir, you can get in through the window.

2) The fight in the prison over the bottomless chasm is trickier than it looks because the imps have Repelling Blast. It wasn't bad for me either but again, you're rewarded for putting the work in.

[Anonymouswizard]

Patch 3, magic mirror and recustomisation ahoy! A bit more limited than ideal, but as somebody who'll visit the plastic surgeon in Saint's Row just because I want to change my hair colour it's enough to make me happy (although body type switching would be nice).

Also ended up going for Thief, just for the additional BA. Now I just need to find a LOT of alchemy ingredients and recipes (my headcanon is that Stephanie was an assassin before losing her memory, but is now a jolly swashbuckling hero with a dark sense of humour and urges that creep her out).

Can you imagine having a week that bad from his POV?

I think it might still be slightly better than the one where his ex tells him to commit suicide

[Psyren]

My Dark Urge is likely going to be a monk who pursued that life specifically to fight the urges and keep them under control. Leaning towards Half-Orc, Dragonborn, or Dwarf. He's going to embrace the hell out of the Illithid powers due to sheer desperation too.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm getting a lot of 516 errors on a drive with over 30 gigs of space. How FUN, I sure love being unable to save the game

[Cikomyr2]

1) You don't need an invitation to access the Boudoir, you can get in through the window.

2) The fight in the prison over the bottomless chasm is trickier than it looks because the imps have Repelling Blast. It wasn't bad for me either but again, you're rewarded for putting the work in.

1) oh goddamnit that was the point of the Balconies
2) i think I just got lucky. I managed to sneak on both Big Baddies and take them out with my melee specialists in surprise+1 round, and i just constantly positioned myself so i wouldnt.. get blasted off.

Oh, i think i also had one of thr armor that prevents being moved.

[Psyren]

I'm getting a lot of 516 errors on a drive with over 30 gigs of space. How FUN, I sure love being unable to save the game

30 GB isn't that much these days sadly.

1) oh goddamnit that was the point of the Balconies
2) i think I just got lucky. I managed to sneak on both Big Baddies and take them out with my melee specialists in surprise+1 round, and i just constantly positioned myself so i wouldnt.. get blasted off.

Oh, i think i also had one of the armor that prevents being moved.

That's my point - there's a lot you can do to make that fight easier (positioning, alpha striking, high AC/Shield, push immunity gear) but that's true of every fight. Having good tactics doesn't mean you don't deserve a reward, and in this case the reward is substantial.

Besides - a character's (massive, massive) hubris ultimately being their downfall is exceedingly poetic.

[Anonymouswizard]

30 GB isn't that much these days sadly.

No, but when the save files are about 3MB (or at least mine tend to be)...

[Cikomyr2]

Besides - a character's (massive, massive) hubris ultimately being their downfall is exceedingly poetic.

Whaaaaaat im not playing like im basically the flying angel of death that be stopped by nothing.

Whatchayatalking about

[Psyren]

Whaaaaaat im not playing like im basically the flying angel of death that be stopped by nothing.

Whatchayatalking about

I was referring more to the Master of the House, though the player character can certainly fall victim to this too

[Cikomyr2]

/facepalm. Oh damn, i may be playing a bit evil then.

Speaking of evil.. i was curious about the intricacies of Avernus and..

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So in canon, Zariel actually assisted Tiamat in escaping Avernus, because it would get her out of Zariel's hair.

Isnt that completely opposite to what Wyll tells us about the "cultist" he wanted to kill and sold his soul for?

Reading the Forgotten Realm wiki article about Mizora, Wyll sold his soul to have a Goblin village destroyed?!

Is there multiple continuity, or did Wyll just outright lied to me?

[tonberrian]

Early access Wyll was SUPER racist against goblins. They might be taking lore from that for the wiki, before his newer, less ******* version we have in the game.

[Cikomyr2]

Early access Wyll was SUPER racist against goblins. They might be taking lore from that for the wiki, before his newer, less ******* version we have in the game.

Ooooohhhhh

Actually, maybe the wiki was written based off Early Access Wyll, and they haven't updated it since

[Zevox]

HAH! Screw you, Mizora!

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You let Wyll free of his pact, and despite your best efforts, we still found a way to save his father! And you just get to hold that, you sadistic bitch.

Damn, but that took more tries than I'd care to admit though. Six turns to get everyone out, and Mizora tossing goddamn banelings out of Starcraft at you once Wyll's father gets on the move, is rough. I even had to do something I wasn't planning on doing and ask Shadowheart to sit things out for a bit, since Clerics aren't the best suited to the situation. Wound up with Wyll and Gale teleporting around (thank heavens I had Wyll learn Dimension Door at his last level-up, and had a scroll of it pocketed that Gale could learn from) to save Ravengard and your Mind Flayer buddy, plus the other prisoners in their areas, while Karlach opened with a potion of speed and double-dashed to let everyone out of the big prison area on turn 1, then spent turns 2 and 3 killing the Sahuagin in that area to keep them safe, while my main character released the prisoners right by the ladder and held down the fort in the center with her Clerical magic (though goddamn did I have some bad luck on those Sahuagin saving against Hold Person in my final run). Barely made it, too - Ravengard was down to 3 hp from the couple of spiders that blew up on him before I could teleport him away from them, and the last of the other prisoners made it into the ship on the second-to-last turn, but only after my last character had acted, so she had to stick around an extra turn to let him get on board.

I do wish I hadn't run into some bugs that forced some of the retries (I'm sorry, but why would the prisoners ever take the dash action, move like 5 feet, and then stop?), but otherwise, that was fun. And very satisfying to conclude in a way that completely screws over one of the manipulative jackass... well, antagonistic forces, since I guess Mizora doesn't really qualify as a villain per se.

Although, is the dialogue for this bugged or something? All my options when speaking to Ravengard imply that Wyll signed the contract, sold his soul for his father, and his reaction to even being shown the events via tadpole imply the same. Mizora's dialogue clearly acknowledges that I screwed her, though, so it's not like they intended this outcome to be impossible.

Also,

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You know "Emperor," if you'd just kept your cool when I roundly rejected your thoroughly creepy advances, it didn't need to completely screw you. Even after I, the player, had concluded you couldn't be trusted, my character was still giving you the benefit of the doubt, because you'd been consistently helping us and acted sufficiently reasonable and pleasant, and that's just the kind of idealist she is. She was still going to free Orpheus, because it's just obviously the right thing to do, but wasn't sure how she was going to handle you when she did so.

But now? "I'm your puppet," you say? If that's how you see it, I think you'll be finding yourself a lot less happy when my strings get cut than you otherwise could have been.

[Anonymouswizard]

Urgh.

I was in the area and decided to try the phase spider cavern. I get up to the boss fight and of course it decides that this is the perfect time to fail every saving throw and not let the characters who accidentally started on webbing off of it. Then it surrounds them so when two characters try to desperately get off on round 2 before I burn it they get killed by a half dozen OAs each

The game could do much much better signposting how much hp you need, and people wonder why I think Larian games have ridiculous default difficulty. In every single one I've played I come across at least one early fight that mullers me because the intented quest order bares little to no relation to geography.

[Bunny Commando]

Urgh.

I was in the area and decided to try the phase spider cavern. I get up to the boss fight and of course it decides that this is the perfect time to fail every saving throw and not let the characters who accidentally started on webbing off of it. Then it surrounds them so when two characters try to desperately get off on round 2 before I burn it they get killed by a half dozen OAs each

The game could do much much better signposting how much hp you need, and people wonder why I think Larian games have ridiculous default difficulty. In every single one I've played I come across at least one early fight that mullers me because the intented quest order bares little to no relation to geography.

TBH, that fight is more about proper preparation that HPs.
Send someone to destroy the eggs (ranged weapons only), then wait until the Matriarch is walking on a web - then you can cast Firebolt, shoot a fire arrow or at worst throw some alchemist's fire to have it drop and take lots of damage.

(And the game tells you not to walk on webs, otherwise you would alert the spiders)

[Anonymouswizard]

TBH, that fight is more about proper preparation that HPs.
Send someone to destroy the eggs (ranged weapons only), then wait until the Matriarch is walking on a web - then you can cast Firebolt, shoot a fire arrow or at worst throw some alchemist's fire to have it drop and take lots of damage.

(And the game tells you not to walk on webs, otherwise you would alert the spiders)

That doesn't help when 1) you don't see the web until you step on it and 2) can't see things due to limited visibility and only half your party having darkvision. Then suddenly you need the HP to survive, regroup, and actually be able to launch attacks at the enemies.

Also half the time 'more about proper preparation' seems to mean 'die so you actually know what preparations you actually need to make', which is not a particularly fun way to play a heroic fantasy game. Sure I could try to scout ahead with a rogue, but Astarion's in the camp, my Durge is specced into social skills, and the previous encounter taught me that phase spiders have good perception scores. So I'd probably die several times before I could actually start 'preparing'.

The fire on webs thing is something I was using though, and could have given me a decent chance if I still had a full party 3-4 rounds in. Because of course I brought a ton of ways to create fire, it's a very useful element.

So 'wait until I'm level five and can actively tank a bad situation' sounds like a MUCH better idea.

[Bunny Commando]

That doesn't help when 1) you don't see the web until you step on it and 2) can't see things due to limited visibility and only half your party having darkvision. Then suddenly you need the HP to survive, regroup, and actually be able to launch attacks at the enemies.

Should check your settings, I recently played that part and webs were quite visible (no darkvision needed).

Also half the time 'more about proper preparation' seems to mean 'die so you actually know what preparations you actually need to make', which is not a particularly fun way to play a heroic fantasy game. Sure I could try to scout ahead with a rogue, but Astarion's in the camp, my Durge is specced into social skills, and the previous encounter taught me that phase spiders have good perception scores. So I'd probably die several times before I could actually start 'preparing'.

Not really. When you hide, you can see the enemies' field of vision in red. Just stay outside those fields and you'll be fine even if your character is not proficient in Stealth. Skill matters only if you step inside the field of vision.

The fire on webs thing is something I was using though, and could have given me a decent chance if I still had a full party 3-4 rounds in. Because of course I brought a ton of ways to create fire, it's a very useful element.

Great! Also chug Elixirs of Poison Resistance, if you have them.

[warty goblin]

I found the spider matriarch fight fairly doable at level 3 and kinda just wandered into it. Stay on the top level of the stone pillars, make them come to you, and then drop them off the edge. I even had one batch of spiderlings hatch, but thanks to all the webs I'd BBQed, it took them quite a while to show up.

I solve all vision problems by having Gale carry a torch.

[Bunny Commando]

Also, you find the Spiderstep Boots in a chamber before that fight which are massively useful - movement speed is not reduced by web surfaces and most importantly, if you wear them you don't alert the spiders when you step on web.

[Cikomyr2]

However, I cannot deny that it IS a hard fight if you just stumble on it. This entire cavern can be a true nightmare.