Mafioso Pokemon edition. REVENGE for Blastoise.

[Cazero]

More seriously, why do you ask?

Zubats have a... reputation.
But it's more of a trainer thing, and we're all wild pokemons here. Nobody's secretly taking a vacation from their pokeball. And fainting a powerful Blastoise can't possibly be part of a ploy to catch a fresh batch of starters for 9 years olds.

[Xumtiil]

I want to point out it couldn't have been me because Blastoise's brain has been left disappointingly uneaten.

That is all.

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Then again I do have enough brains to realise that eating his brain would point to me.

No, seriously, I have so many brains. It's an entire collection, want to see them?

[Caedorus]

For the record, I listen to Ksum-tee-eel, Zoomteel, combinations of the two, "Hey, you" and "OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS"

Headcanon: shumteel :P

Was going to make a decent post but I'm tired and we have time tomorrow

[Olive_Sophia]

No, seriously, I have so many brains. It's an entire collection, want to see them?

Even if we said yes, I doubt you'd be able to show them. The censors wouldn't allow it.

[CaoimhinTheCape]

How much longer do we have in the day? Should we be starting to move toward wagons with any reasoning? I'm looking back through the thread and not seeing much of anything to base a vote on. For the people who have votes, not really interested in Rogan or Snow as people who are pretty likely to talk enough later and give us a read.

I'll move to Vote: Persolus out of the others. Xum has a light town read from me, and not much sticks out between the others so we'll see if the vote brings Persolus back.





Caoihminthecape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caderous
Rogan 2:Avatar vecna, Bladescape
Snowblaze 2: Bookwombat, Rogan
Luizeu 1:Xumtill
Olive_Sophia 1:Snowblaze
Persolus 2: Cazero, Caoihimnthecape
Xumtill 1: Olive-Sophia

[Illven]

How much longer do we have in the day? Should we be starting to move toward wagons with any reasoning? I'm looking back through the thread and not seeing much of anything to base a vote on. For the people who have votes, not really interested in Rogan or Snow as people who are pretty likely to talk enough later and give us a read.

I'll move to Vote: Persolus out of the others. Xum has a light town read from me, and not much sticks out between the others so we'll see if the vote brings Persolus back.

A lil bit under 24 hours.

[Snowblaze]

How much longer do we have in the day? Should we be starting to move toward wagons with any reasoning? I'm looking back through the thread and not seeing much of anything to base a vote on. For the people who have votes, not really interested in Rogan or Snow as people who are pretty likely to talk enough later and give us a read.

I'll move to Vote: Persolus out of the others. Xum has a light town read from me, and not much sticks out between the others so we'll see if the vote brings Persolus back.

Caoihminthecape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caderous
Rogan 2:Avatar vecna, Bladescape
Snowblaze 2: Bookwombat, Rogan
Luizeu 1:Xumtill
Olive_Sophia 1:Snowblaze
Persolus 2: Cazero, Caoihimnthecape
Xumtill 1: Olive-Sophia

Correction: Plaids is currently voting for me. (Also Benoojian for Illven, even if it doesn't count.)

Okay, yeah, this has slowed down quite a bit. I'll skim through ISOs and try and get actual reads over the course of today, but for now I'll hop aboard the Persolus wagon. Because three-way ties are better than two-way ties and as I mentioned earlier Caoimhin isn't my preferred choice of counterwagon.

(And Rogan is still a townlean, I think. Plus the fact his wagon consists of bladescape and AV.)

Benoojian, can you vote for someone who isn't the narrator?

Rogan, is this a suitable "later" to explain your me vote?

[Xumtiil]

What a twist of events! Chocolate delivery pokemon fell way behind on the races, however Wyvern Rider now has to contend with two.... wait... not two, THREE contenders!
The Superhero pokemon had surpassed Wyvern Rider, but Wyvern Rider caught up again and is now neck-to-neck with both the Superhero and the Anti-Fire Fighting Pokemon... AND HERE COMES SAAAATAAAAAN!

Rogan

Hey AV, guess what? Zombies don't blink.

[Snowblaze]

Four-way tie!

CaoimhinTheCape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caedorus
Snowblaze 3: Book Wombat, Rogan, Plaids
Persolus 3: Cazero, CaoimhinTheCape, Snowblaze
Rogan 3: AvatarVecna, bladescape, Xumtiil
Xumtiil 1: Olive_Sophia
Invalid vote 1: Benoojian

Olive, thoughts on the current wagons?

Xumtiil, is there reasoning for your vote beyond "yay, four-way tie!" (That is a perfectly valid reason in isolation.)

At least these wagons will give us information to go on later, though it would be nice to have more justification for them now (and, you know, for me not to be one of them.)

I got distracted before actually getting into ISOs, will do that now. I've noticed Xumtiil townleans becoming pretty popular so I'll start by figuring out if they're justified.

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Okay, my mind seems to have extrapolated
this:

Slight townread on Xum, for having a decent explanation for his vote. Slight townread on Lui for not freaking out when in the lead. Slight townread on you for asking questions. But really you asking questions is NAI.
Basically nothing-burger.

into several people giving Xumtiil townleans. Now I think of it all Caedorus's reads here are... kind of thin. Don't know that that's an active concern this early in the game, especially with acknowledgement of that fact, but looking forward to the promised more content.

Anyway, wrt Xumtiil himself a) he needs to die so I can have my action resolve first, and b) more seriously, if I had to come up with a reason to townread him it would be that he's... relaxed, I guess? Nothing feels forced or panicked or over justified, he's just having fun joking but also still contributing with vote movements.

But also he hasn't particularly come under any pressure so I don't know that wolf!Xumtiil would be feeling the need to overjustify things aorn unless potentially he has a partner in danger? That one isn't really something I can read into without flips.

So... maybe a tiny bit above null I guess? Probably not voting him D1 unless to save myself or a townread... oh yes, this whole "EOD at three in the morning" thing is going to be a problem with wagons like this.

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Retracting my Rogan townlean, it was for stupid reasons to begin with and I don't think he's actually done anything particularly towny.

I don't really have active points of concern either, though, just... he hasn't done the stuff that I need to see to find him as town. But also it's D1 and not much has happened so the absence isn't concerning on its own yet.

Rogan, if you're around and have time I guess I'd appreciate a better idea of your thought processes and your reads so far.

I'm mildly biased against voting Rogan just because I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to read him accurately once we have more flips and information (inb4 I let wolf!Rogan live because of that and he promptly kills me N1. Rogan, if you're a wolf, please don't do that.)

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Is it bad that I'm considering waiting for an hour in between ISOs so they count as separate posts for the "updated" function's purposes and I can get top spot for action resolution?

(Yes. I'm not actually going to do that. Especially since Reasons.)

[Rogan]

Four-way tie!

CaoimhinTheCape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caedorus
Snowblaze 3: Book Wombat, Rogan, Plaids
Persolus 3: Cazero, CaoimhinTheCape, Snowblaze
Rogan 3: AvatarVecna, bladescape, Xumtiil
Xumtiil 1: Olive_Sophia
Invalid vote 1: Benoojian

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Rogan, if you're around and have time I guess I'd appreciate a better idea of your thought processes and your reads so far.

I'm mildly biased against voting Rogan just because I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to read him accurately once we have more flips and information (inb4 I let wolf!Rogan live because of that and he promptly kills me N1. Rogan, if you're a wolf, please don't do that.)

One important thing to note is, I'm still struggling to get into the game properly and allowed myself to get distracted by other things. I hope it will change once there's a bit more going on.

My vote on you actually hadn't much to do with you personally. I recall Book mentioning in one of the recent games he considered unvoting when he suddenly was on a top wagon, so I intended to see if he would react to a wagon on you. He didn't, which doesn't help me a lot. If he had unvoted, I would have given him some town points for it.
The vote also gave a chance to see your reaction, which feels decent, but hardly unfakeble. There was enough time in the day, you had no need to panic about being the top wagon. You are still tied for the lead now, but you can pick between 2 counterwagons to you. If I try hard to find something suspicious about you, I could see you stepping back from your town read on me as a way to open you up to another option when I started to look like a viable wagon. But I don't actually believe this.

Also, I can't promise you that you won't get killed tonight, but I can promise that I will no part in this. (So, if the wolves do kill you, I'm pretty much cleared!)

The other wagons... Persolus has more posts, but less content than Cao. I think we would learn slightly more from a Cao flip than a Persolus flip, but I don't think there is much of a case either way.

(Also, I realize that being able to pick between 2 counterwagons to safe myself is true for every wagon right now)

@Book: Would you like to say anything?
@Persolus, Cao and Snow: What do you think about us shifting votes to Benoojian? Maybe, some pressure will get him to actually take some stances instead of sitting on an invalid vote?
@Benoojian: Do you still believe the narrator is a valid target, despite Illven telling you she isn't?

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Well... Luizeu, you had it coming!

(Yeah, I get it's a joke. But still, could we please not vote for the one person who said before the game randed that they would not be online day 1?)

By the looks of it I'll be here for the first half of it.

Funny anecdote.
Dice choosing who lives or die,
Vote against Rogan.

Pers-pers Persolus.
So Solus pers per.

[Witty response to anecdote.
Mild aspersions of doubt to legitimacy of dice.]

@Persolus: I'm not sure if I understand you right here, are you saying Cazero faked a random vote on somebody who defended them? If this is what you are saying: Why would they do this?

[Snowblaze]

Mm, okay. That explanation feels believable from town!Rogan.

Benoojian is... an option I guess? I don't think he's done anything AI though, it seems more likely he just isn't paying attention/hasn't been online. Still no worse than my current vote, though.

I'm not entirely sure I like your suggesting a wagon there though. I'll need a while to turn that one over in my mind.

So... I guess it depends what wagon movements end up looking like, but in a vacuum I need active incentive to change which I don't have rn.

Why did you ask specifically me/Caoimhin/Perso... oh, right, those are the other wagons. Ignore that question.

Going to ask for thoughts on Rogan here, particularly from people who know him well/feel like they can read him accurately. I have mixed impressions and limited time in which to resolve them.

Can't promise I'll be that active for the 3-4 hours I'll be awake, but will try and skim through Caoimhin and Persolus ISOs at least.

(I'm going to get SK- or vig-shot and people will incorrectly clear wolf!Rogan now.)

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How much longer do we have in the day? Should we be starting to move toward wagons with any reasoning? I'm looking back through the thread and not seeing much of anything to base a vote on. For the people who have votes, not really interested in Rogan or Snow as people who are pretty likely to talk enough later and give us a read.

I'll move to Vote: Persolus out of the others. Xum has a light town read from me, and not much sticks out between the others so we'll see if the vote brings Persolus back.

Caoihminthecape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caderous
Rogan 2:Avatar vecna, Bladescape
Snowblaze 2: Bookwombat, Rogan
Luizeu 1:Xumtill
Olive_Sophia 1:Snowblaze
Persolus 2: Cazero, Caoihimnthecape
Xumtill 1: Olive-Sophia

Apparently Caedorus wasn't the only one to townread Xumtiil after all. Caoimhin, explain that read please?

Eh. I kind of have reasons to suspect Caoimhin but also they're not particularly confident and I might just be looking for reasons to suspect one of my counterwagons.

Spoiler: reasons

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Their posts feel a little... performative? That's not really the right word, but it seems almost like someone's mental model of what a towny solving process looks like rather than an actual towny solving process.

It's hard to justify properly, so please don't ask me to, and please don't base a vote on that in isolation because it's also not particularly strong.

[Rogan]

Benoojian is... an option I guess? I don't think he's done anything AI though, it seems more likely he just isn't paying attention/hasn't been online. Still no worse than my current vote, though.

I'm not entirely sure I like your suggesting a wagon there though. I'll need a while to turn that one over in my mind.

It might be too late for a wagon in order to push for action, true. I should try to keep track of time a bit more.

Do you have a special reason for voting Persolus?

[Snowblaze]

Vote Caderous for being a turtle hating Pokemon.

That actually brings up a good point, with the new rule about posting does mafia try to post a lot to make sure their night kill/actions go through or focus more on not being suspicious in the first place and hope we WIFOM into lynching the high posters? Do they kill the high volume posters to move up in the turn order?

This is probably a better example of what I mean than stuff in Caoimhin's other post.

Spoiler: reasons still not worthy of being unspoilered

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"This is a good point, let's talk about this thing that probably isn't going to have any relevance to solving but might make me look as if I'm solving" (the "good point" being pockety/too agreeable).

Though Caoimhin does tend to talk about mechanics more than average iirc, and I could just be reading way too much into this...

...the entire point of the spoiler is that I can give reasons for wolfreads that feel thin and improperly justified, I shouldn't have to add hedgy counter-arguments on top of that.

Eh. This might be good enough for a D1 vote given lack of better options. Let me skim through Persolus.

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It might be too late for a wagon in order to push for action, true. I should try to keep track of time a bit more.

Do you have a special reason for voting Persolus?

Before ISOing, "being a wagon that isn't me, the person who died D1 last game or the person I'll be able to read more accurately later, plus ties are good".

In other words, not really.

I'm fairly likely to switch my vote before sleeping, but I don't know where yet.

(Also yay other people posting means not screwed over by the updated function. I shall claim my rightful place as first in resolution order!)

Going to disappear for a while, back at some point in the next three hours.

[Rogan]

Before ISOing, "being a wagon that isn't me, the person who died D1 last game or the person I'll be able to read more accurately later, plus ties are good".

In other words, not really.

I'm fairly likely to switch my vote before sleeping, but I don't know where yet.

(Also yay other people posting means not screwed over by the updated function. I shall claim my rightful place as first in resolution order!)

Going to disappear for a while, back at some point in the next three hours.

Guess I'll wait till your ISO, in this case. I only found one thing noteworthy about him and already posted this.
Your thoughts about Cao... I think, I should compare them to last game, where he was d1'ed as town.
Shouldn't take that long.

Also, for reference about the thing about Book:

I did not. I was thinking of moving my vote off once a wagon formed a bit too quickly for my taste, but it dissolved soon after.

[Benoojian]

Guess since my vote for Narrator doesn't count I'll go Rogan I'll try to get back on and see if I can back up my gut feeling.

[Snowblaze]

CaoimhinTheCape, then. Ties must be preserved!

(And yes, that Persolus ISO is next up.)

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Right, cool, Persolus has no posts beyond page one and none I can construe as even vaguely alignment indicative.

Taking opinions on Benoojian's blinking from anyone who has them.

My own are: that feels suspiciously like a wolfy popin or someone pinged him in wolfchat saying "come and post before you get voted for not contributing" but also the only way you could pop in and make a vote on any of the tied wagons without looking like doing that is by posting some pretty detailed thoughts which I think would be out of Benoojian's established character but also sometimes if it looks like a wolfy popin and feels like a wolfy popin it is a wolfy popin.

I'm silencing my tinfoil brain because I don't think its argument that Benoojian and Rogan are w/w has any merit, and in fact those two are probably unpaired.

Decently happy with my Caoimhin vote for now unless someone has a good case otherwise. "Wolfy popin" might count if a wagon that feels right gets moving quickly enough.

[Caedorus]

Guess since my vote for Narrator doesn't count I'll go Rogan I'll try to get back on and see if I can back up my gut feeling.

Ben breaking the tie. Hmmm imo this is somewhat sus, especially because this is literally ben's second post.

into several people giving Xumtiil townleans. Now I think of it all Caedorus's reads here are... kind of thin. Don't know that that's an active concern this early in the game, especially with acknowledgement of that fact, but looking forward to the promised more content.

Here it is!

CaoimhinTheCape, then. Ties must be preserved!

(And yes, that Persolus ISO is next up.)

I can't wait, your iso's are much better than mine. I just skimmed through Pers's posts, and there's nothing solving in there. Like nothing.

But this goes for many people. I'm torn between looking for wolves in the top posters (to go first) or the bottom (no content). Also, do we know the wolves have powers? They might just be slacking at the bottom knowing everyone is looking at the top.

I have a hard time finding a wolfread, because almost noone has done anything townie. I do have a list of townleans though, in order from least to most weak: Snow, Rogan, Xumtiil.
Veeery vague townlean on Cao for not reacting much to being in the lead. I feel like a wolf might panic? But WIFOM obviously.

[Snowblaze]

Explain Rogan?

And how okay are you with your current Caoimhin vote? Who would you be voting if the wagon dynamics allowed it?

(Apologies for the state of my Persolus ISO, I agree that there isn't anything solvy to be found. Though if the compliment was an attempt to pocket me it's not working.)

I'm jumping at shadows here a bit, but there is something to go on somewhere. I just need a bit more time to spiral in paranoia and a flip to work with. (And, you know, for that flip not to be mine.)

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Rogan 4: AvatarVecna, bladescape, Xumtiil, Benoojian
CaoimhinTheCape 4: Persolus, Luizeu, Caedorus, Snowblaze
Snowblaze 3: Book Wombat, Rogan, Plaids
Persolus 2: Cazero, CaoimhinTheCape
Xumtiil 1: Olive_Sophia

Yeah, this is a good vote distribution imo. Other than the me wagon, but it's D1, that can't be helped.

[Caedorus]

Explain Rogan?

And how okay are you with your current Caoimhin vote? Who would you be voting if the wagon dynamics allowed it?

(Apologies for the state of my Persolus ISO, I agree that there isn't anything solvy to be found. Though if the compliment was an attempt to pocket me it's not working.)

I'm jumping at shadows here a bit, but there is something to go on somewhere. I just need a bit more time to spiral in paranoia and a flip to work with. (And, you know, for that flip not to be mine.)

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Rogan 4: AvatarVecna, bladescape, Xumtiil, Benoojian
CaoimhinTheCape 4: Persolus, Luizeu, Caedorus, Snowblaze
Snowblaze 3: Book Wombat, Rogan, Plaids
Persolus 2: Cazero, CaoimhinTheCape
Xumtiil 1: Olive_Sophia

Yeah, this is a good vote distribution imo. Other than the me wagon, but it's D1, that can't be helped.

I was about to change my vote. I had only made it to create a tie.
Also, how did you go from "let's not Cao, they died d1 last game" to "I'm fine with Cao in top 2"? o.O
Preferably, out of those options I would probably vote Persolus, he seems most wolfy.
And my explanation for Rogan is simple: he made posts that contributed to the game, and they seemed solvy. Which is more than most can say.

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Actually, come to think of it, why not. Persolus

[Rogan]

Taking opinions on Benoojian's blinking from anyone who has them.

Benoojian seems to be suspicious to me, but it might just be OMGUS.

Also, since I do care a bit about self-preservation, but not enough to panic or throw around votes just for the sake of saving me:

I claim to have a role I should be able to prove till d3, maybe even earlier. I don't think I should give more details yet.

[Snowblaze]

I was about to change my vote. I had only made it to create a tie.
Also, how did you go from "let's not Cao, they died d1 last game" to "I'm fine with Cao in top 2"? o.O
Preferably, out of those options I would probably vote Persolus, he seems most wolfy.
And my explanation for Rogan is simple: he made posts that contributed to the game, and they seemed solvy. Which is more than most can say.

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Actually, come to think of it, why not. Persolus

I ISOd them and found reasons to suspect them? Possibly bad reasons, but still.

Rogan 4: AvatarVecna, bladescape, Xumtiil, Benoojian
CaoimhinTheCape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Snowblaze
Persolus 3: Cazero, CaoimhinTheCape, Caedorus
Snowblaze 2: Book Wombat, Plaids
Benoojian 1: Rogan
Xumtiil 1: Olive_Sophia

I can't bring myself to vote Persolus and ruin the wagon made entirely of Cs. Wondering whether to commit to Benoojian and roll the dice on that one. I'm going to sleep in about five minutes so you'll know my decision by then.

(Noting ftr that I don't particularly like Caedorus's recent posting but I'm tired enough I can't work out whether that's for good reasons or I'm just being paranoid. Or, possibly, both.)

[Caedorus]

I don't really have active points of concern either, though, just... he hasn't done the stuff that I need to see to find him as town. But also it's D1 and not much has happened so the absence isn't concerning on its own yet.

Rogan, if you're around and have time I guess I'd appreciate a better idea of your thought processes and your reads so far.

Mm, okay. That explanation feels believable from town!Rogan.

I ISOd them and found reasons to suspect them? Possibly bad reasons, but still.

Your consistency is waaay off, snow. You're starting to lean towards wolfyness.

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Ok I just realised that last quote was about Cao not Rogan.
Still I'm slightly miffed you're calling me "sus" for having weak reads yet finding the weakest excuse ever to not vote Persolus, who has zip reads at all.
Maybe you're just tired, though.

[Xumtiil]

Someone ruined my delicious four-way tie. And I was so looking forward to eating the winner's brains finding out who would get flipped.
Bah.
I could even it out again by voting Snowblaze, but I'm not gonna. I can't always clean up after everyone (sorry if that kills you, Rogan, unless you're scum, in which case I claim to have known all along and all of this was an elaborate ploy)

[Rogan]

Something else kept me awake till now, but I should go to bed.

Voting for TheCape, out of self-defense.

Not going to full-claim. If I die, I die. If I live, the wolves need to keep wondering.

Legacy: Keep an eye out for Ben. Maybe check Xum, Snow and Cae. Also, everyone else who might post after me, without reacting to my part-claim.

If any more shenanigans happen, then for today without me. Good night and pleasant dreams.

[Benoojian]

Ben breaking the tie. Hmmm imo this is somewhat sus, especially because this is literally ben's second post.

I actually thought I was adding Rogan to the tie, I didn't see Xumtiil's vote

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And now realizing I'm breaking the tie again by removing my vote. Oh well.

[Illven]

Day 1 has ended, please wait for resolution.

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As the flat of foots pokemon, Arceus he who created the world with it's a thousand arms rows the boat nearer to shore, the group has a deliberation.

And you decide that the watery grave that Blastoise now inhabits. (Watery fainting couch?) Is totally good enough for Caoimhin.

Spoiler: Vote counts

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Caoimhin 4, Luizeu, Persolus Snowblaze, Rogan
Persolus 3, Cazero, Caedorus, Caoimhin
Rogan 3 AvatarVecna, Bladescape, Xumtill
Snowblaze 2, Bookwombat, Plaids
Xumtill 1, Olive-Sophia

Spoiler: Post counts

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Snowblaze 14
Xumtill 11
Rogan 11
Caedorus 11
Illven 7
Cazero 6
Avatar vecna 5
Persolus 5
Benoojian 3
Luizeu 3
Bladescape 2
Olive Sophia 2
Bookwombat 2
Plaids 1

As the last watery glubs of air come out from the water, a robe floats to the surface.

Spoiler: Caoimhin's flip

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Caoimhin is Mimikyu
You are Mimikyu. The disguise pokemon. Scum
Disguise. During night phase, target one player. You mimic the player's scry info until you choose to change. You do not find out what this scry info is

As the boat softly glides onto shore, the sun sets on a good day of avenging Blastoise.

Night 1 begins

[Benoojian]

I wish I could claim towncred for getting scum killed, but to be honest it was basically on accident

[Snowblaze]

:D

Your consistency is waaay off, snow. You're starting to lean towards wolfyness.

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Ok I just realised that last quote was about Cao not Rogan.
Still I'm slightly miffed you're calling me "sus" for having weak reads yet finding the weakest excuse ever to not vote Persolus, who has zip reads at all.
Maybe you're just tired, though.

The C thing wasn't an excuse, it was a meme. Having no reads isn't by default wolfy, it's null, and I kind of suspected Caoimhin. (Also, you know, I was right. Though me being me that's. Not exactly clearing.)

(Context for new players: I have a tendency to get my wolf partners killed as a wolf quite regularly.)

If it's any consolation I think this is... mildly towny. Though not towny enough I won't be scrutinizing you for vote movements that had the result of nearly saving a wolf.

I wish I could claim towncred for getting scum killed, but to be honest it was basically on accident

I'll give you towncred anyway. If that was a bus it was a really weird and counterintuitive one, tinfoiling that can wait a phase or two.

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General questions!

1. Was Caoimhin bussed? If so, by who?
2. Do you think there are one or more wolves in the other wagons (me/Rogan/Persolus)?
3. Did wolves try to save Caoimhin? If so, whose actions look like an attempt to do that?
4. Is there anyone you think is unpaired with Caoimhin?

My answers will all require some rereading and ISOing, so you'll get them in a bit.

(Also I should probably comment on talking and giving reads at night. A lot of people discourage it because it gives wolves information. I ignore that and do it anyway, and there's evidence of me doing it as town so it's NAI at worst for me. If you want to delay answering questions to day phase that's fine.)

[Plaids]

OOC: Another wolf eliminated the first Night/Day. I'm guessing everyone has a special power and someone has scrying. Anyone want to volunteer that info? I think the wolves were at least initially trying to save Caoimhin but may have given up after concluding that the vote wouldn't go their way.

IC: Even Dustox's psychic powers are fallible and this reputable Lepidoptera pokemon will need more psychic adepts to root out the Beautifly loving menace. I'm going to fly through town on my sturdy and contrasting colored wings to survey the town for Blastois'es attackers. Somebody watch my back. You never know what tricks some supposedly cute pokemon can pull.

[Snowblaze]

OOC: Another wolf eliminated the first Night/Day. I'm guessing everyone has a special power and someone has scrying. Anyone want to volunteer that info? I think the wolves were at least initially trying to save Caoimhin but may have given up after concluding that the vote wouldn't go their way.

IC: Even Dustox's psychic powers are fallible and this reputable Lepidoptera pokemon will need more psychic adepts to root out the Beautifly loving menace. I'm going to fly through town on my sturdy and contrasting colored wings to survey the town for Blastois'es attackers. Somebody watch my back. You never know what tricks some supposedly cute pokemon can pull.

This... should go without saying but anyone out there who does have a scrying ability should absolutely not volunteer that info until such a point as the information town gains from their results is worth more than the information wolves gain by knowing their identity. That meaning, not night one.

At what point would you say wolves gave up on trying to save Caoimhin? I don't think it could have been reasonably concluded that they were doomed, the vote would have been a Rogan/Caoimhin tie if Benoojian hadn't unvoted or Caoimhin had shown up and voted Rogan for self-preservation.

...unless of course Rogan and Caoimhin are w/w, in which case it was probably pretty likely that a wolf was going to die from the time of me/Benoojian putting those two wagons ahead. Do you think that's likely?

(w/w = both wolves)

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Spoiler: CaoimhinTheCape ISO

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Vote Caderous for being a turtle hating Pokemon.

That actually brings up a good point, with the new rule about posting does mafia try to post a lot to make sure their night kill/actions go through or focus more on not being suspicious in the first place and hope we WIFOM into lynching the high posters? Do they kill the high volume posters to move up in the turn order?

Don't think the random vote says much about Caedorus. If you had to force me I'd say wolf!Caoimhin is more likely to open by voting a partner than randomness would suggest, but that shouldn't mean much.

The "that's a good point" that I described as pockety was a response to AV, so mildly towny for them.

How much longer do we have in the day? Should we be starting to move toward wagons with any reasoning? I'm looking back through the thread and not seeing much of anything to base a vote on. For the people who have votes, not really interested in Rogan or Snow as people who are pretty likely to talk enough later and give us a read.

I'll move to Vote: Persolus out of the others. Xum has a light town read from me, and not much sticks out between the others so we'll see if the vote brings Persolus back.

Caoihminthecape 3: Persolus, Luizeu, Caderous
Rogan 2:Avatar vecna, Bladescape
Snowblaze 2: Bookwombat, Rogan
Luizeu 1:Xumtill
Olive_Sophia 1:Snowblaze
Persolus 2: Cazero, Caoihimnthecape
Xumtill 1: Olive-Sophia

Mmm. Is this "I'm not going to vote the active solvy townies to avoid antagonising them" or "I'm going to lump my partner in with Snowblaze so I don't have to bus"? I don't know at all, really.

Persolus vote isn't unpairing in any way, given not voting me or Rogan + the current wagons it would look strange to not do that.

Mildly good look for Xumtiil I think?

Conclusions: there isn't much you can conclude from two posts. Mild town points for AV and Xumtiil, some vague thoughts without clear conclusions elsewhere.

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Another thing to note: Caedorus seemed frustrated by me just before EOD. Now being suspected for what you see as bad reasons is a valid reason for town to be frustrated (sorry if my reasons are/were bad) but also.

One of the most frustrating things to experience as a wolf is when townies are right for the wrong reasons. So imagine you're wolf!Caedorus partnered with Caoimhin. Your partner is in danger and Snowblaze is voting there because... (let's assume he hasn't read my spoilers in sufficient detail; I didn't make it that clear that I suspected Caoimhin)

...if she voted the counterwagon it wouldn't only be made up of people whose usernames begin with C any more. And besides, Persolus hasn't given any reads, that's something townies are supposed to find suspicious, right?

Maybe I'm jumping at shadows and paranoid here, but it's not at all hard to fit that thought process and mindset to Caedorus's posts approaching EOD.

(If I am in fact jumping at shadows, then a) sorry and b) Caedorus, ignore me, keep solving and I'll get there eventually, and if I don't you can blame me in postgame.)

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(And yes, I do need to investigate Caedorus's vote movements over the phase and especially his switch away from Caoimhin to see if that fits my mental model. That's on my list.)

Corollary to the above: Caedorus/Persolus not w/w.

Rogan is the pivot point here. If there's one player I had to point to and say "knowing their alignment would really crack the game open" it's definitely him. So that's what's at the top of my list.

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Actually, another note: Benoojian, when you originally voted Rogan you said it was based on gut feeling,
but when you removed your vote you said you thought you were adding him to the tie. Which was it? Or was it a combination of both?

Spoiler: second half of Rogan's ISO

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Since the first half is both stuff I've already looked at and significantly less informative.

One important thing to note is, I'm still struggling to get into the game properly and allowed myself to get distracted by other things. I hope it will change once there's a bit more going on.

My vote on you actually hadn't much to do with you personally. I recall Book mentioning in one of the recent games he considered unvoting when he suddenly was on a top wagon, so I intended to see if he would react to a wagon on you. He didn't, which doesn't help me a lot. If he had unvoted, I would have given him some town points for it.
The vote also gave a chance to see your reaction, which feels decent, but hardly unfakeble. There was enough time in the day, you had no need to panic about being the top wagon. You are still tied for the lead now, but you can pick between 2 counterwagons to you. If I try hard to find something suspicious about you, I could see you stepping back from your town read on me as a way to open you up to another option when I started to look like a viable wagon. But I don't actually believe this.

Also, I can't promise you that you won't get killed tonight, but I can promise that I will no part in this. (So, if the wolves do kill you, I'm pretty much cleared!)

The other wagons... Persolus has more posts, but less content than Cao. I think we would learn slightly more from a Cao flip than a Persolus flip, but I don't think there is much of a case either way.

(Also, I realize that being able to pick between 2 counterwagons to safe myself is true for every wagon right now)

@Book: Would you like to say anything?
@Persolus, Cao and Snow: What do you think about us shifting votes to Benoojian? Maybe, some pressure will get him to actually take some stances instead of sitting on an invalid vote?
@Benoojian: Do you still believe the narrator is a valid target, despite Illven telling you she isn't?

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@Persolus: I'm not sure if I understand you right here, are you saying Cazero faked a random vote on somebody who defended them? If this is what you are saying: Why would they do this?

Italics: I really hate that you said this, because. Saying I'm struggling to get into the game is probably a decently reliable wolftell for me, I can't get over the feeling that I don't have the same solvy energy town!me does because faking that while already knowing the answers is... kind of hard, so I start making excuses for it like that one.

But also... sometimes as town you're just not particularly engaged because you're stressed or busy or distracted or just not in the mood, and I'd feel terrible suspecting someone for that. So I'm trying to treat it as NAI but I can't get it out of my head.

bolded: yup, this is what I expect from town!Rogan. He does tend to pay particular attention to Wombat and take actions that could lead to getting a read on him, and reaction tests suit that.

Hedging on the Persolus/Caoimhin question is noted. Given we know there was at least one wolf in the wagons at the time trying to start a new one looks a little bad in hindsight. Especially since the suggested people voting Benoojian would have led to the Caoimhin wagon reducing the most.

(Rogan/Benoojian not w/w.)

Underlined is wolfy for Rogan. It feels like... how do I put this... a "gotcha" that really isn't that and a question with a large amount of shade attached... I can remember wolf!Rogan doing that a couple of times.

It might be too late for a wagon in order to push for action, true. I should try to keep track of time a bit more.

Do you have a special reason for voting Persolus?

I could interpret this as trying to get me to push a counterwagon to two wolves and give him justification to vote there. Such an interpretation would be pretty uncharitable and confbiased, so I'm not going to make it.

Guess I'll wait till your ISO, in this case. I only found one thing noteworthy about him and already posted this.
Your thoughts about Cao... I think, I should compare them to last game, where he was d1'ed as town.
Shouldn't take that long.

Also, for reference about the thing about Book:

Continued hedging on the Caoimhin/Persolus question.

Uncharitable confbias voice says reminding me about Caoimhin being D1ed as town could be an attempt to undermine my case and make me doubt myself (for future reference, wolves: that isn't necessary, I already undermine and doubt myself.

He never actually followed up on the Caoimhin comparison either, did he?

Benoojian seems to be suspicious to me, but it might just be OMGUS.

Also, since I do care a bit about self-preservation, but not enough to panic or throw around votes just for the sake of saving me:

I claim to have a role I should be able to prove till d3, maybe even earlier. I don't think I should give more details yet.

Yeah. I can't really suspect the Benoojian reaction, I was majorly pinged by that and if it was me he'd voted instead I might have done the same.

The part-claim is... my default position is to believe that sort of thing, but for some reason this one makes me paranoid. Maybe because it reminds me of the whole "I can prove my alignment" truthfully as a wolf thing I'll occasionally do. Maybe because it's on record enough that I do believe this sort of thing by default that a wolf has to try and exploit it at some point. Maybe because of the lack of specifics. Maybe confbias.

Uncharitable voice says the italics is mildly performative.

Something else kept me awake till now, but I should go to bed.

Voting for TheCape, out of self-defense.

Not going to full-claim. If I die, I die. If I live, the wolves need to keep wondering.

Legacy: Keep an eye out for Ben. Maybe check Xum, Snow and Cae. Also, everyone else who might post after me, without reacting to my part-claim.

If any more shenanigans happen, then for today without me. Good night and pleasant dreams.

Yeah. This was pretty much forced regardless of Rogan's alignment. Not reacting to the part-claim is a decent reason to suspect people, and mildly towny (since if wolves are trying to save Caoimhin by voting Rogan, for instance, they'd want to ignore it to avoid it's being interpreted as semi-clearing for Rogan.)

screams into the abyss

No definite conclusion. If I wanted to build a wolf!Rogan narrative I could do that pretty easily, and there's a couple of actively concerning points in there as well. But also there are a few isolated moments that look a lot like town!Rogan, and I still think the partial claim should be worth at least something in his favour.

So... yeah. I guess I'll give him D2 to be towny if he is and potentially to prove his role, and then if he hasn't done either of those things by start of D3...