The Wizard's Tower by Luizeu

[Athedia]

Typically a voider only has to decide who they want to stop from using their powers, while a baner has to pick who they want to protect from powers. Though I suppose we can't be sure either exists exactly like that.

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That skeleton is spoken for, I'm afraid.

My main thought is that an attack was described, but the person was tackled out of the way so it looks like they were protected directly.

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I suspect that very few of the traditional roles are in unchanged, if the verboseness of my own role is anything to go by they are likely all convoluted in some way.

I know my role is a bit weird and vague so I assume that is true for others.

[Luizeu]

I suspect that very few of the traditional roles are in unchanged, if the verboseness of my own role is anything to go by they are likely all convoluted in some way.

*writes name on the list*

[Batcathat]

Alright, I feel like I need to get my head back in the game, before I drown entirely in puzzle solving, so let's go with bladescape, based solely on that starting a completely new wagon to try and save a wolf buddy without looking too suspicious does seem like something blade would do.

[flat_footed]

Typically a voider only has to decide who they want to stop from using their powers, while a baner has to pick who they want to protect from powers. Though I suppose we can't be sure either exists exactly like that.

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That skeleton is spoken for, I'm afraid.

Well, shoot.

The Black Cauldron then.

[Metastachydium]

[COLOR="#008000"]Earring[COLOR] please

Hey, I wanted that! You'll just sell it. Grgh. Wine Glass, it is.

Since BCH mentioned it, just as a reminder - if you were responsible for diverting the wolf kill last night, absolutely do not claim responsibility for it in any way shape or form. Unless you can also use this power to protect yourself and the power cannot be blocked by any means, it's absolutely throwing if you claim.

I think early D2 might not be the best time to make big powerclaims in general?

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Anyhow, it's a bit late for me to form coherent thoughts on stuff; I'll put a tentative bladescape vote here for what I mentioned N1.

Also: Benoojian, I appreciate the gesture, but FIRE's still FIRE and scary (FLOWER speaking!); I'll offer the lantern to JeenLeen for now.

[JeenLeen]

::munches an apple and kiwi:: I know my role isn't a typical one, but I have an idea why it's useful after seeing a wolf flip.

I haven't read up much today. Just skimmed a couple things to see some talk of how standard/non-standard powers are, so wanted to add that.
Of the names listed, at least 1 is a wolf and <# in 2nd list> are non-wolves... which doesn't tell us a lot, but is useful.

Anyway, I wrote up something to post early Day (if I could get online, which I didn't) last night (during Night). Here's my thoughts. More, I hope, to come tonight.

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During Night, I wrote that Kraken was town because I misread something in my skimming.
I forget what exactly I misunderstood, but upon rereading some votes moves I realize this isn't the case. Kraken could very much be a wolf if Persolus is Town. Makes sense a wolf wouldn't want to vote Meta late-Day lest they obviously be saving Taffimai, but a wolf could try to get another wagon going in hopes it saves their scumbuddy and a townie is the one to do the swing vote and thus gets mislynched.
If Persolus flips wolf, Kraken is confirmed Town.
Why didn't Taffimai vote Persolus and survive? She was online close to Day's end--her last post was only about 30 minutes prior to Day's end--and she could have put her vote from Meta to Persolus so that he had 5 votes. It'd make sense as self-defense, so wouldn't necessarily even add extra heat to her. I could see it to try to lead someone to make the conclusion I'm making now to get the townies to lynch Town!Persolus, but I think it more likely they are both wolves cursing their bad luck D1.

In Persolus' favor, he never moved his vote off Taffimai. A wolf easily could have without looking too bad. BUT if he was offline until the move was critical, then moving it then would draw attention to him once Taffimai flips or attention to her once he flips, so I can see the wolfteam deciding it's better to distance rather than couple those two together.

Kraken's stating the RNG plan also makes them seem like they don't particularly want the latern, which leads those not wanting RNG to decide the decision to think he's a good choice. Good move for a wolf, and I had planned on voting him to start off the Day, but thinking through things makes Persolus the more-likely suspect.

Munching another apple from his bag, the retired cleric of Olimdarmarra looks over the villagers remaining. They definitely did well the first level, finding one of the wizard's cronies hiding amongst them. A shame it was her; the music was entertaining. Stinks when the bard is a backstabber. He really doesn't want to accuse a fellow adventurer, but Persolus just looks the most likely, sad to say.

On a side note, I'm not convinced Meta is town. I feel inclined to think she is, since it seems unlikely D1 was wolf vs. wolf (pre-Persolus), but I don't think I can rule it out logically. But I think it's best to look elsewhere D2.
When I have time, I want to reread who voted Cazero and when/why. And also look at Taffimai's comments on Cao. (I don't think I'm confusing them again.)

Wolflean on bladescape, but I'd rather test Persolus. If Persolus flips wolf, blade is almost certainly Town. If Persolus flips wolf, then I'd look at blade next.
Also, he joke-claiming scumbuddy with Taffimai... hits me as wolf in a WIFOM way as "a wolf wouldn't do that joke, so of course blade is Town" so wolf!blade does it to look towny by looking too wolfy to be a wolf. (I think I phrased that right.)

I think Snow should actually be clear.

And no this isn't a "But snow would've bussed" read.

Your reasoning?
I have an idea of why Snow might be Town, but I don't think it's great reasoning.

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Skimmed instead of doing what I should be doing.

We have the latern, which protects from targeting.
If a voider voided the wolf-kill, then shouldn't they claim, get the latern each Night, and we're cool?
A baner could also claim, get the lantern, and bane once more who they baned, as that's two confirmed townies. (Or baner/other trades off who has the latern, if they can't bane same person 2/game.)

Am I missing something?
If not, the talk of not-claiming looks wolfy to me, to try to get confirmed townies unknown. (It's a good move in most games, but we have a seemingly every-Night become-untargetable power.)

From text of a push to safety, I think baner.
Also I'm guessing it'd be four magical darts, not 3, if Taffimai were still alive.

[Batcathat]

We have the latern, which protects from targeting.
If a voider voided the wolf-kill, then shouldn't they claim, get the latern each Night, and we're cool?
A baner could also claim, get the lantern, and bane once more who they baned, as that's two confirmed townies. (Or baner/other trades off who has the latern, if they can't bane same person 2/game.)

Am I missing something?
If not, the talk of not-claiming looks wolfy to me, to try to get confirmed townies unknown. (It's a good move in most games, but we have a seemingly every-Night become-untargetable power.)

If I understand correctly, the lantern will have different powers each night, so it might not protect today's lantern holder from being targeted.

As for Persolus, I would be open to voting him, I think my main reason for leaning towards preferring blade is a) he feels like a more dangerous potential wolf and b) my ego would prefer being right about his actions... so not exactly strong arguments.

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End of the Day: The lantern is a magical item. When activated, it emanates a low yellow dancing light. It lights the path on the level and the stairs on the other side of the room. The lantern Holder is the first person entering a level to illuminate the way. It may bring good luck or bad luck when entering a level. You never know which. The lantern is very hot and strangely drains your energy, so you can’t carry it for more than one level in a row.
Everybody wants to take a peek at the lantern during the Night 1/Stairs 1, so there will always be a pair of eyes on Let'sGetKraken.

Game Mechanic: Let'sGetKraken can’t be targeted tonight/ on the first stairs by night actions

Relevant sections in violet.

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As for the debate about power claiming, I agree that a baner (or similar) shouldn't claim. A voider... should probably at least consider claiming later in the day. The kill could be missing for other reasons and it would obviously put the voider at risk, but it might still be worth it.

[Athedia]

Voider can also only get the lantern one night. Or every other night (max) if they reveal. Which makes sense, force us to trust others and spread the potential bad luck parts.


I would say if the voider sees someone making a late voider claim that isn't them it is in their interest to claim. However on the other hand that would hold true as a risky claim for a wolf so I am thinking myself in circles.


Jeen I will mention as I was one of the Cazero voters D1, it wasn't any plan really. If I recall that wagon had one shift on it? Snowblaze shifting to Persolus which took Cazero from 4 to 3 and Persolus from 3 to 4. Which if Snowblaze is a wolf would be a safe way to shift someone else into danger, but it would have been more useful to switch to Meta to prevent Taff from being even in the RNG.

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Uh the first bit about voider every other night. That applies to everyone just typing on my phone and didn't realize how little sense I made.

[bladescape]

Persolus

JeenLeen

Crystal Ball?

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Name list seems like wifom until we have any sort of clue to sorting the swaps.

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Alright, I feel like I need to get my head back in the game, before I drown entirely in puzzle solving, so let's go with bladescape, based solely on that starting a completely new wagon to try and save a wolf buddy without looking too suspicious does seem like something blade would do.

True. However I also tried to wagon Meta so I'd look suspicious regardless in this instance so that seems a lil weak.

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Also, he joke-claiming scumbuddy with Taffimai... hits me as wolf in a WIFOM way as "a wolf wouldn't do that joke, so of course blade is Town" so wolf!blade does it to look towny by looking too wolfy to be a wolf. (I think I phrased that right.)

In my defense I jokingly claim scumbuddy with multiple people every game. See last game where I was town and I claimed it with AV and... at least one other but I forgot who.

I mean I would do it as wolf too.

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I don't like BCH either tbh. The things I look for town BCH aren't there that I can see, and their weird sus on Taffi that was mollified for them to vote elsewhere once Meta actually wasn't ahead anymore was odd.

And their push on me today feels weird tbh. The attempt to implicate that I was defending Taffi without seeming sus when I was 100% defending Taffi and did so in an obvious manner (I voted Meta half the day for example) is a weird framing. Like don't get me wrong, I was defending a wolf 100%. And I should be looked at carefully for that reason. But BCH is trying to imply I was doing so without drawing attention to myself which is...

Blatantly false.

[Let'sGetKraken]

Sorry knee jerk reaction to the word, in Town of Salem deliberate game throwing is a bannable offense. and yes there are a lot of babies there that will threaten to report playstyles they don't like as throwing whether they are actually bad strategies or not (and terrible automatic moderation that will give you a short ban if enough people report you regardless). I think your wording was a little harsh even if you didn't mean going that far.

That's fair, my wording was probably a bit on the harsh side. If you are absolutely 100% confident you have caught a wolf, you can claim; but my chief concern is either losing that defensive power by outing its wielder for essentially no gain, or - worse - the wielder outs themselves AND gets a town member killed accidentally as a consequence if they're wrong about their targeting. Either of those are throwing the game, just not intentionally so. Not a reportable offense of course but something that's to be avoided if possible.

Kraken's stating the RNG plan also makes them seem like they don't particularly want the latern, which leads those not wanting RNG to decide the decision to think he's a good choice. Good move for a wolf, and I had planned on voting him to start off the Day, but thinking through things makes Persolus the more-likely suspect.

No, I did absolutely want the lantern. It's why I voted for myself. I was the only person I knew for certain was town, and was skeptical of anyone voting for another person in the absence of information that could garner trust. This would also be a good move for a wolf, because it's a towny outlook, and even if it doesn't give wolves the lantern I earned town points in doing it.

We have the latern, which protects from targeting.
If a voider voided the wolf-kill, then shouldn't they claim, get the latern each Night, and we're cool?
A baner could also claim, get the lantern, and bane once more who they baned, as that's two confirmed townies. (Or baner/other trades off who has the latern, if they can't bane same person 2/game.)

Am I missing something?

Yes. The lantern cannot be carried by the same person two nights in a row.

[JeenLeen]

Thanks for clarifying about latern rules. I had missed that someone can't carry it two nights in a row, and that it might have a bad effect instead of a good one. I'm willing to gamble, and while the bucket of mysterious liquid sounds intriguing, I'll try for the latern today so JeenLeen and see what comes of it.
My understanding is that, if I investigate an object (and I think that's the only one left, but could be wrong), then I'm invalid for tonight's latern-holder.

With all that, I get no claiming powers unless the baner/voider is up for lynch and/or they think they definitely caught a wolf. And, if you have caught a wolf (via pretty sure void voided a NK, or a seer power), remember it's best to wait to claim so there's some discussion early Day.

I'm sure we could think up some theories about the riddle, and it'd be fun. Probably useful for future Days, but not likely this Day.
I think we can trust the riddle as true. That is, I don't think it's a wolf sending us misinformation. If that were the case, then I don't think it would talk about the names being swapped around, and it might go in the face of this not being a bastard game.
But I also think there's little we can do with it now. Speculating on it is helpful, and there's good reason to vote within those listed... but I think we'd be better off voting on analysis* and wait to use that list until there's fewer players.

*I generally prefer to solve via mech than analysis, but there's not really been any mech revealed.

::grumble:: I have a theory I want to share. I don't think sharing it would help the wolves get more info. But, if it's right, sharing it might prevent the wolves from slipping up and outting themselves by accident.
I'm hesitant to even post this much, but maybe making the wolves overly-cautious lest they slip up will lead to some odd speech or a different slip-up.
Kinda wish I had been able to grab the wine glass

[Illven]

Alright, finally off work and can start digging into things.

First things first. Persolus, I promise to null read you, until I take time to actually dig into Revenge for Blastoise and see if you stopped being super active before N2. (Maybe even beyond, I promised Ti I wouldn't take inactivity as wolfy for her maybe I should extend you the same curtsies)

Right now my top wolf read is Snowblaze

2 Main reasons.
1) No one would expect Snowblaze to hard support a wolf teammate considering she has such a reputation for bussing. In addition I feel like Rogan getting busser of the year (all years) award last game may have inspired a change in Snowblaze?
2)

Eh... I mean, I can't say I really get the logic here but I don't normally get town!Illven logic iirc so that's NAI. I do still think the fact of having this many reads fairly early without being pressed for them is towny but also that feels vaguely like reasons I've miscleared wolf!Illven in the past.

To me, this reads as a wolf that doesn't wanna get too defensive so she goes. "town!Illven usually doesn't make any sense." to......not shade me, but that my judgment shouldn't be trusted. Ignoring the fact that I have decent judgement even if I get to it in strange ways.


My second wolf read is Ben. Also for two reasons.

1) They seemed pretty eager and aggressive to shoot down the ten names has 1 or more wolves in it rumor.
2) How do we know, taffi guessed their victory condition? If the wolves are in contact, couldn't a wolf just ask a sinking Taffi to be like. "Hey make it sound like I'm looking for something in the wizard tower and I'll pretend that was uncomfortably close to my neutral win condition."


Then Bladescape

Bladescape may not have as big balls as Cazero clearly.

But I think Blade is bold enough to pretend to be wolf buddies with Taffi.


Null Persolus, Olive Sophia, AvatarVecna (This WOULD have been above null, for taffi pointing out that Vecna gets aggressive as a wolf when a teammate is threatened, except the wolf said this)
Above null Cazero, Meta, Kraken

[Athedia]

Can I ask what bussing means? Wagonning as a term was easy to pick up on but that one is new to me.

[Olive_Sophia]

Crawling around the room with a light step and hood drawn tight, I'd like to check the Shelf

I'll throw in for JeenLeen as the next lantern holder. I don't particularly want it myself. Carrying a big light would cramp my style a bit. I may make my own luck, but that doesn't mean I have to roll every die that's put in front of me.

No suspect vote from me just yet. I'd vote for Persolus but I don't want to make it inevitable that he'll be defenestrated this evening until we hear a bit more from him.

[Luizeu]

Can I ask what bussing means? Wagonning as a term was easy to pick up on but that one is new to me.

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners to the extent of causing their elimination (and hopefully playing a major role in convincing others that they are worthy to be eliminated). The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them to gain credibility. The 'bussee' is the player being thrown under the bus, and the 'busser' is the one doing it.

[Illven]

Can I ask what bussing means? Wagonning as a term was easy to pick up on but that one is new to me.

So bussing refers to when a wolf votes/makes an argument for yeeting another wolf for town cred for themselves. (You are "throwing the other wolf under a bus")

Wow, way to take Olive's job, narrator.

[Athedia]

We still have a day to vote right? I am just holding off til someone does the next tally but I can in the morning if needed (I refuse to try to logic while sleepy)

[Book Wombat]

Crawling around the room with a light step and hood drawn tight, I'd like to check the Shelf

Sorry, already claimed. After all, it is the most valuable thing for me!

[Snowblaze]

Morning.

Not a particular fan of the bladescape wagon, I'd be hesitant to trust him but if he was trying to save Taffimai (okay, he was trying to save Taffimai, but if he was trying to save Taffimai because they were wolf partners) he chose a way that was a lot more risky than just producing an argument for wolf!Meta.

No objections to Jeen holding the lantern if that's consensus.

Illven, re: 2) I didn't mean to imply your judgement couldn't be trusted, just that I personally can't normally follow your logic, which makes it harder for me to read you.

(Also ftr if I was a wolf hard-defending Taffimai I would have switched to Meta at the last second yesterday.)

Athedia, re: my vote switch, that's not quite how it happened: I unvoted Cazero without revoting, taking him from four votes to three, and then later became the second vote on the Persolus wagon.

[Athedia]

Morning.

Athedia, re: my vote switch, that's not quite how it happened: I unvoted Cazero without revoting, taking him from four votes to three, and then later became the second vote on the Persolus wagon.

Okay, it is a bit hard to follow with the late swaps but this does make sense. Can I ask why you invited Cazero and if you stand by or doubt that position?

[Snowblaze]

This being directly after Cazero's "I'm not a vanillager but also I'm not powerful enough to save" claim:

...yeah this is...

RIP three-way tie, unvote.

I don't think a wolf under pressure does this. Assuming that is the plan, you either just say "yeah, I'm a vanillager, I don't mind dying" and hope for WIFOM towncred for not trying to escape death or you start dropping hints that you're something powerful and shouldn't die in preparation for a claim if you have to make one.

This is the worst of all worlds: if you survive it forces you to produce something to back up the claim, and it does nothing to help you actually survive.

Counter-arguments welcome, but unless someone has a pretty good one I don't want to kill Cazero today.

I think it was valid reasoning and the correct move at the time. I'm... not as convinced as I was that it makes Cazero town but without an actual argument against him I'm okay with having him in my townpile for the time being.

Do you have thoughts on Cazero yourself?

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Spoiler: Batcathat, Day One

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As much as I enjoy the music numbers, something feels off about Taffimai's post. It's entirely gut at this point, but when I have the time I'll see if I can find any reason for it.

On a completely different note, I'm not sure whether or not I should suspect Cao for making a post count when there's literally no votes since the previous count. On one hand, it feels like seemingly useful filler, but on the other hand vote-counting is kind of Cao's thing, so maybe not?

...I thought having this Taffimai read was towny for BCH before the flip. In isolation it's the fourth vote on a wolf, which is towny, but "entirely gut" is an easy thing to backtrack on if the wagon goes away or a case on someone else is presented.

Also the fact it's about the only non-hedgy read BCH gives for the whole of D1 is. Mildly concerning.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing that. I still haven't been able to put a finger on why I suspect Taff, but with no real reason to suspect anyone else, I'll probably keep my vote there so any reason not to would be potentially useful. As a bonus, it might give me a better grip on you, since I'm currently alternating between trusting you and suspecting you for an admittedly questionable reason.

Also, why wouldn't it be productive to attempt to explain why you townread someone who also happens to be the biggest wagon?

This is perfectly valid from town!BCH. But also it isn't much of a stretch to read it as "hey, Snowblaze, give me reasons to get off this bus please?"

Basically it goes like this: while you are very solvy as town, you are also very good at faking that as a wolf. So I didn't agree with Taff's suspicions based on that, since you being less solvy is potentially out of character, but probably not in a wolfy way. So far so good. But then you got quite solvy all of a sudden. As you alluded to, it could be that there was finally some stuff to go on. But the paranoid part of my brain is worried it might be a reaction to Taff saying you weren't solvy enough, which seems like a rather wolfy reaction.

I'll take your defense of Taff into consideration, though if I'm satisfied that raises the question of who to vote instead. Out of the other wagons, I'm leaning slightly town on Meta (for reasons as unsatisfyingly vague as my suspicions of Taff, I'm afraid) and have basically no opinion on Caz.

Of course, there's still time to try someone completely different, but I don't really have any reasons for that either (aside from possibly the above, which is... shaky, even for D1).

The me read is pretty in character for town!BCH. The Taffimai read is narrows eyes wolfreading BCH for hedging is like wolfreading bladescape for being a cryptic bastard (that is, for the newbies, invalid because they always do it as town) but also. It's very leaving their options open depending on how wagons develop.

If Taff does flip wolf, I think I'm gonna suspect you on the basis that obviously no wolf buddies would act like this, thus it would actually be a good wolf play.

On a more serious note, I still have absolutely no idea what to do with my vote. Gut still says Taff over Meta, so I suppose I might as well go with it. D1 voting is usually pretty much shooting in the dark anyway.

Then there's the whole lantern thing. It seems unlikely I'll get enough support, but I have no idea who to vote for instead.

Wolfy interpretation: "welp, guess I don't have a natural enough progression off Taffimai, looks like I'm bussing now"

I certainly wouldn't mind hearing more about it, drawing any conclusions from what little Persolus has posted seems hard (which admittedly is a pretty good spot for a wolf to be in at this point).

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Twice, actually. But yeah, not a lot to go on. I guess if I go deep into the paranoid depths seemingly forgetting to vote at first could be a "wolf feigning ignorance" thing? Seems like a stretch, but then almost any D1 clue is going to.

"Wait, is bladescape giving me something I could use to save Taffimai?"

While that's barely something, I suppose it beats "gut feeling", especially considering Snow's defense of Taff (while I don't entirely trust Snow, my main reason for distrusting her pretty much assumes Taff is town, so both of them being wolves seems unlikely, not to mention I don't expect Snow to defend a wolf buddy this openly).

Alright, I don't particularly like it but I suppose I'll go with Persolus.

"Oh, look, Snowblaze and bladescape both think I should do this thing I want to do anyway, it's totally their fault"

As a bonus reason not to kill Taff, if she's still alive by D2 she has to come up with a way to top all these not to become a D1 wonder.

"Look, this is totally a meme defence of Taffimai"

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't really like it coming down to a tie, it feels like it makes it even tougher to deduce everyone's actions in retrospect. That said, I don't really feel like moving my vote either. I still townread Meta and I feel like blade's reason for Persolus are better than mine for Taff (not to mention that me voting Taff would probably just make Snow vote Meta and it'd remain a tie ).

"Here's the perfectly logical reasons why I'm not revoting my wolf partner".

So this turned into not so much an ISO as an exercise in building a narrative of wolf!BCH to see if it makes sense. I think it does. Thing is, there's also nothing here I'd be surprised to see from town!BCH so this isn't a case against them in isolation. Does make me feel a little better about bladescape suspecting them, though.

I do also think the way that EOD played out means that they're unpaired with Persolus, though. Taffimai clearly wanted to keep wolf!Persolus alive, so in that world it makes sense that wolves would agree who's dying and wolf!BCH would just... keep bussing Taffimai, keeping Persolus safe and getting BCH towncred.

[Batcathat]

True. However I also tried to wagon Meta so I'd look suspicious regardless in this instance so that seems a lil weak.

Sure, I'm the first to admit that my reasons for suspecting you are shaky at best, but it's not like the reasons for voting Persolus or anyone else are better. I think one reason I'm suspecting you is that if the wolves did something to actively try and save Taff (as opposed to just voting for other wagons and hoping for the best), your actions make the most sense (or possibly Snow's, but I doubt she would've been so blatantly defending Taff, instead of trying to build a case against someone else). I should probably reread D1 though.

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So this turned into not so much an ISO as an exercise in building a narrative of wolf!BCH to see if it makes sense. I think it does. Thing is, there's also nothing here I'd be surprised to see from town!BCH so this isn't a case against them in isolation. Does make me feel a little better about bladescape suspecting them, though.

It's a little funny that an ISO of specifically me coming of this hedgy.

[Snowblaze]

Spoiler: wagonomics, Part One

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(Apparently I lost the original quote of Wombat voting Meta, but he did.)
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

The Turtle princess held up one of the best Turtles in the world raised by GiantipForumsville.

"What's that Squirtle? The Village dad is a mage apprentice?" Flat-foot

"And the village sea expert should hold the lantern?" Let's Get Kraken

flat_footed 1: Illven
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

Cazero, partly because OMGUS and partly for screwing town over by accepting my offer last game.

And Snowblaze because I will never give up trying to get myself elected for things. Also because who needs flint when you have a staff that can conjure ice-cold magical fire?

RP to come at some point when I have more time and am in the mood.

Cazero 1: Snowblaze
flat_footed 1: Illven
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

Harold had the flattest feet
but didn't let that stop him
he was the village patriarch
he ran the tightest ship!

One day he took a merry band
to storm the wizard's tower
looking for the mayor's girl
he brought his trusty whip.

Oooh-de-lally, ooh-de-lally,
Brought his trusty whip!

Also Taffimai

flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Cazero 1: Snowblaze
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

Why would Cazero want the lantern so badly is my question.

I say Book Wombat should take the lantern.

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As I don't wish to hold the lantern and people wish to leave it to chance I am striking my vote for lantern bearer.

flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Cazero 2: Snowblaze, Athedia
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

Aaaaaaaand i forgot to get blessings from Arenjee, god of chance. He has revealed that clearly Taffimai is hiding her true colours behind a cover of song.

flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Cazero 2: Snowblaze, Athedia
Taffimai 1: Persolus
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

So it begins. In darkness.

The first order of business, it is simple enough. I'm a FLOWER, and fire is scary. I don't want the lantern. Plus, I need all my stalks to swing that freakin' broadfork about, ain't I? Illven, Kraken and Blade would extinguish it by accident; Olive, intentionally (because ninja). Cazero's all too eager, and I'm not going to trust Snow or AV with a toothpick, let alone that thing. Wombat chose to move against me and carries things flammable. Probably Benoojian too.

The obvious choice, therefore, would be Jeen, so I'll nominate Caoimhin The Cape.

But who to kill? This is a tougher one. Snowblaze… Will have to die, at some point. But she has garnered some goodwill the last time we fought together. I'll kill her later. Wombat… [Scoffs.] A give or take. Taff, meanwhile, is a BIRDY. I'm not hurting the birdy, even if she's contemplated herbivory before. Blade, Flat and AV I trust to get themselves killed in due order. Shame on us if that doesn't happen in time. So… Like I said, fire's scary. DIE, CAZERO!

Cazero 3: Snowblaze, Athedia, Metastachydium
flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Taffimai 1: Persolus
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat
Tentatively unpairing Meta/Cazero for this, but I have both above null atm so not sure that's particularly relevant.

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Taffimai, you see my dears
has always been an odd one.
Picking up some trash they found
and calling it a crown.

Just because they sing some songs
they think that they are special.
I know what they really need
let's give their neck a wring.

Oooh-de-lally, ooh-de-lally,
let's give their neck a wring.

Cazero 3: Snowblaze, Athedia, Metastachydium
Taffimai 2: Persolus, flat_footed
flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Metastachydium 1: Book Wombat

Don't think this is worthy of towncred for flat; clearly RVS and who knows if these wagons are going to mean anything or put anyone in serious danger at this point.

*eyes narrow*

Aye, a cat on a ship is dreadfully bad luck...

But a cat on land?

Metastachydium.

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Let'sGetKraken.

I will remain safely ensconced in Illven's pockets.

Cazero 3: Snowblaze, Athedia, Metastachydium
Taffimai 2: Persolus, flat_footed
flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Metastachydium 2: Book Wombat, Let'sGetKraken

Maybe I'll get around to roleplaying later, but for now it's just votes and (hopefully accurate) vote counts. Vote: Taffimai for the sake of tying up the first wagons. And I'm leaning toward the lantern being a good thing, So Vote: CaoimhinTheCape

I think I got the vote counts right, but if anyone wants to double check, that would probably be good. It also looks like some people voted for the kill but not for the lantern? For anyone who only voted one, any reason?


Vote Count
Meta (2): Book, Kraken
Flat (2): Ilven, Taffimai
Snowblaze (1): Cazero
bladescape (1): Batcathat
Cazero (3): Snowblaze, Athedia, Meta
Taffimai (3): Persolus, Flat_footed, Cape
Batcathat (1): Olive_Sophia
BookWombat (1): AvatarVecna
No Vote: Bladescape, JeenLeen, Benoojian, MayanStar

Oil Lamp Vote Count
Kraken (2): Ilven, Kraken
Cazero (1): Cazero
Batcathat (1): Batcathat
Snowblaze (1): Snowblaze
Taffimai (1): Taffimai
Book Wombat (1): Athedia
Cape (2): Meta, Cape
AvatarVecna (1): Olive_Sophia
flat_footed (1): AvatarVecna
No Vote: Book, Persolus, Flat_footed, Bladescape, JeenLeen, Benoojian, MayanStar

Or, in stripped-down form:

Cazero 3: Snowblaze, Athedia, Metastachydium
Taffimai 3: Persolus, flat_footed, CaoimhinTheCape
flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai
Metastachydium 2: Book Wombat, Let'sGetKraken

As I mentioned earlier, Caoimhin gets town points for this, surface-level at least.

Meta

Persolus

Cazero 3: Snowblaze, Athedia, Metastachydium
Taffimai 3: Persolus, flat_footed, CaoimhinTheCape
Metastachydium 3: Book Wombat, Let'sGetKraken, Benoojian
flat_footed 2: Illven, Taffimai

This is the only vote so far that can be interpreted as an attempt to protect Taffimai by advancing a counterwagon to her. I don't want to immediately kill it with fire, but the fact is it's an unexplained vote on a counterwagon to a wolf. I do actually need to look into Benoojian properly, don't I?

Mostly keeping track of things rather than any actual analysis, but I think it's pretty useful regardless, at least in making sure I'm clear on the order of events and not missing anything.

Benoojian, why did you vote Meta D1?

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Sure, I'm the first to admit that my reasons for suspecting you are shaky at best, but it's not like the reasons for voting Persolus or anyone else are better. I think one reason I'm suspecting you is that if the wolves did something to actively try and save Taff (as opposed to just voting for other wagons and hoping for the best), your actions make the most sense (or possibly Snow's, but I doubt she would've been so blatantly defending Taff, instead of trying to build a case against someone else). I should probably reread D1 though.

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It's a little funny that an ISO of specifically me coming of this hedgy.

Lol. It's more "conclusion pending more analysis" than an actual hedge, ftr.

Thoughts on Kraken?

[Batcathat]

Thoughts on Kraken?

Surprisingly little, considering how active he's been. I guess the standout is his suggestion that everyone vote themselves for lantern, which... I don't know. It makes sense (even if I personally don't like leaving things to random chance), but it's also a pretty good suggestion from a wolf, that might gain some towncred and still give the wolves a decent chance to end up with the lantern. Didn't vote for Taff, which isn't great but understandable. How close was it between Taff and Meta when Kraken voted Persolus? I want to say Kraken voting Meta could've saved Taff, but I'll have to check. If so, that should give some townpoints.

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Seems like Meta/Taff were tied when Kraken voted, so that's a pretty good look. Of course, if Meta had flipped town, being the vote that sealed it wouldn't make Kraken look great, so I could see the wolves taking the chance. I guess a slight townlean on Kraken over all.

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I'm hoping someone else switches.

I suppose this count be entirely honest coming from a wolf. Voting Persolus meant Kraken wouldn't take much blame from a townie flipping (since at worst he pushed one into a tie) and if someone else had switched off Taff or onto someone else, she'd make it. So, not sure how much towncred I should give Kraken over this? I think I'm sticking with my slight townlean, but with a paranoid asterisk.

[Illven]

Hmmm. Snowblaze raises a good point. If she's going to hard support a wolf as a wolf why not go all the way.....

I'll leave my vote there for now, but I'm certainly open to changing it. (Except right now for Persolus, I still need to re-read revenge for Blastoise.)

[Metastachydium]

What am I, chopped liver?

You'll be, Wombat, you'll be.

If they're a voider instead of a baner, they just caught a wolf red-handed, and might die before passing on that information, don't make dramatic declarations about every situation when you really mean only the one situation.

Thing wasn't really fluffed as I'd expect a void to be fluffed (what with negating the attack on the receiving end).

Kraken's stating the RNG plan also makes them seem like they don't particularly want the latern, which leads those not wanting RNG to decide the decision to think he's a good choice. Good move for a wolf, and I had planned on voting him to start off the Day, but thinking through things makes [color=red]Persolus[color] the more-likely suspect.

Why are we ignoring the fact that Persolus could have saved himself by way of switching to me, making it a 5/4/3 divide, with me in the lead and he at 4? I don't think we should be too quick to end Persolus.

Do you have thoughts on Cazero yourself?

I have an interesting theory. Let's not touch Cazero for now.

[Athedia]

Why are we ignoring the fact that Persolus could have saved himself by way of switching to me, making it a 5/4/3 divide, with me in the lead and he at 4? I don't think we should be too quick to end Persolus.

When did the last swap happen there (how close to end of the day that is) because that would determine if it was a simple "missed the timer" or something else.

[Metastachydium]

When did the last swap happen there (how close to end of the day that is) because that would determine if it was a simple "missed the timer" or something else.

Hm. Right, so

Snow joins his wagon 55 minutes before the End;
Batcathat makes it serious at the 46 minute mark; and
Kraken seals it 17 minutes to the End.

So yeah, that doesn't clear him, even notionally, but he had aalmost an hour to notice the clouds gathering and start paying attention. Hm.

[bladescape]

Why are we ignoring the fact that Persolus could have saved himself by way of switching to me, making it a 5/4/3 divide, with me in the lead and he at 4? I don't think we should be too quick to end Persolus.

Persolus wasn't there at EOD afaict. Which means he didn't see the wagon on him until after votes were over.

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Oh lmao I got double ninja'd.

[Let'sGetKraken]

I'm torn. On one hand, I don't think Persolus is a wolf. On the other hand, confirming whether Persolus is a wolf gives us information about those of us on his wagon - was this something that happened organically, or a wagon including at least one wolf?

I came into today thinking that bladescape looked the most suspicious for starting the Persolus wagon when we now know that there was at least one wolf on the line... but I'm now unsure. I'll have to go back and re-read D1.