The Wizard's Tower by Luizeu

[bladescape]

If it's a Taff/Persolus pair, then Wolf!Persolus could have moved from Taff without any suspicion by saying "yeah, that was a random vote" and instead of having two wolf wagons tied for the leave, Taff could be safe with a 5th vote on Meta or a 4th on Cazero instead.

Meta was in the lead for a lot of the day. Persolus could absolutely as wolf have said "This vote looks good for me and Taffi isn't currently up for death" then not showed up at EOD. ESPECIALLY if Pers was a strong wolf role, getting early cred by voting Taffi means that he's set for later without having to do much.

I'd like to ask all the Blade voters:

Why did I make the Persolus wagon if I was partners with Taffi unless Meta was also wolf?

Of the 4 that ended up on Persolus:
Me/Snow would've voted Meta over Taffi. BCH would've voted Taffi over Meta. Kraken would've voted ?

That's a guarantee of 6/5 in Meta votes favour. (I changed when it was 5/5 and Snow wasn't voting either, but Snow was obviously voting away from Taffi).

I have no reason to not help Taffi survive as I've already been overtly not thinking she was wolf most of the day. I can assure you that I wouldn't make the judgement that a new wagon so close to EOD had a better chance of saving Taffy.

AND

Why didn't Taffy join me to save herself if we're w/w?

Like legit, we were both there at EOD and if I'm trying so hard to save Taffy then there's no reason for Taffy to not help me help save her.

Unless you think Persolus is a wolf too and I'm now helping bus a partner after losing another partner.

[MayanStar]

Too bad I keep missing stuff since my free time is a bit off, sorry for the inactivity!


As I don't have strong reasons to vote, I will place it on Persolus since he was my second most likely vote on D1.
Batcathat has been feeling off to me, but I will stick with my vote today.

For the lantern, I am quite unsure. Jeenleen sounds like my vote if I'm following other's reasonings. A shot in the dark, if you ask me, but we'll see what happens.

[JeenLeen]

Meta was in the lead for a lot of the day. Persolus could absolutely as wolf have said "This vote looks good for me and Taffi isn't currently up for death" then not showed up at EOD. ESPECIALLY if Pers was a strong wolf role, getting early cred by voting Taffi means that he's set for later without having to do much.

I'd like to ask all the Blade voters:

Why did I make the Persolus wagon if I was partners with Taffi unless Meta was also wolf?

Of the 4 that ended up on Persolus:
Me/Snow would've voted Meta over Taffi. BCH would've voted Taffi over Meta. Kraken would've voted ?

That's a guarantee of 6/5 in Meta votes favour. (I changed when it was 5/5 and Snow wasn't voting either, but Snow was obviously voting away from Taffi).

I have no reason to not help Taffi survive as I've already been overtly not thinking she was wolf most of the day. I can assure you that I wouldn't make the judgement that a new wagon so close to EOD had a better chance of saving Taffy.

AND

Why didn't Taffy join me to save herself if we're w/w?

Like legit, we were both there at EOD and if I'm trying so hard to save Taffy then there's no reason for Taffy to not help me help save her.

Unless you think Persolus is a wolf too and I'm now helping bus a partner after losing another partner.

Would the 4 wolves being Taffimai, bladescape, Meta, and Persolus answer most of those questions?
wolf!blade started the Persolus wagon to get some towncred later on when someone flips, or to protect Persolus when blade and Taffi eventually flip. That it gained so much steam was a surprise to the wolfteam.

The one thing it doesn't answer well is why the wolves didn't vote together better to save their lives. Like, I get not wanting to leave evidence that makes you seem like teammates, but as someone pointed out, it shouldn't've been hard to push another wagon like Cazero's.
Or one of the tied wolves would've voted another wolf to gain towncred. I don't think we'd be having this discussion so much if it hadn't been tied (a decision Taffimai notably made).

Hmm... did they want us to waste time looking at the others who they tied with?
I'm not completely comfortable leaving my vote on Meta, but I'm fine enough there. I'll let those with more time for analysis decide on Persolus vs. blade.

blade: did you get any useful feedback from the Crystal Ball during this Day that should be shared if you are up for lynch?

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And ditto to Persolus if he picked an item. I forget if he did and what.

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Final thoughts before I go to bed: I'm going to be offline until EOD, blade has a good argument why he's likely not a wolf (unless he, blade, and Meta are wolves, but then why not go after Cazero?), and Persolus' tentative claim makes it hard to vote him. I'd probably vote Persolus to pressure a claim if I would stay online, but I won't be around to change it if he's, like, our N1 baner.

[bladescape]

Would the 4 wolves being Taffimai, bladescape, Meta, and Persolus answer most of those questions?
wolf!blade started the Persolus wagon to get some towncred later on when someone flips, or to protect Persolus when blade and Taffi eventually flip. That it gained so much steam was a surprise to the wolfteam.

The one thing it doesn't answer well is why the wolves didn't vote together better to save their lives. Like, I get not wanting to leave evidence that makes you seem like teammates, but as someone pointed out, it shouldn't've been hard to push another wagon like Cazero's.
Or one of the tied wolves would've voted another wolf to gain towncred. I don't think we'd be having this discussion so much if it hadn't been tied (a decision Taffimai notably made).

Hmm... did they want us to waste time looking at the others who they tied with?
I'm not completely comfortable leaving my vote on Meta, but I'm fine enough there. I'll let those with more time for analysis decide on Persolus vs. blade.

blade: did you get any useful feedback from the Crystal Ball during this Day that should be shared if you are up for lynch?

Final thoughts before I go to bed: I'm going to be offline until EOD, blade has a good argument why he's likely not a wolf (unless he, blade, and Meta are wolves, but then why not go after Cazero?), and Persolus' tentative claim makes it hard to vote him. I'd probably vote Persolus to pressure a claim if I would stay online, but I won't be around to change it if he's, like, our N1 baner.

I feel like if I was wolf with Meta/Pers/Taffy then D1 would never have happened the way it did. But sure, if you think that's the case go ahead I guess lol.

I have not gotten any feedback from the Crystal Ball (yet).

Also also tbh I am considering heavily BCH/others. If Persolus' claim is good then I'm on the wrong foot. But I still don't understand why Taffy didn't vote if that was the case.

[Snowblaze]

Morning.

- I haven't seen the Persolus hint, but if people I trust have I'm willing to assume there's at least something. Though also if enough people have seen it, Persolus, it's a safe assumption wolves have figured it out so you may as well just hardclaim.

- against killing Meta, I think Taffimai was making enough of an effort to get him killed while also being a wagon herself that they're unlikely to be partnered

- bladescape raises some good points in his defence (though also paranoia); I wasn't particularly interested in killing him today anyway but I now think it's an actively bad idea.

- the logical conclusion from not wanting to kill bladescape or Persolus is BCH but I'm not ready to jump straight into that without having analysed stuff

- I'm probably wrong somewhere

- can we have some new wagons, please?

[Persolus]

Very well then, I'm one half of the Mason pair.

[Batcathat]

- can we have some new wagons, please?

Yeah, that might not be a bad idea. Aside from blade's defense (which isn't that solid, but neither are the reasons to suspect him), I kinda feel like a wolfy blade would've reacted to Persolus' claim differently (since blade would've known Persolus was honest, it would probably have made more sense to switch to me or someone else rather than linger on Persolus). Not that blade couldn't react like that specifically to seem towny, of course.

I'll still vote blade over Persolus or myself and probably over Meta too, but I wouldn't be opposed to hearing a case against someone outside of that.

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Very well then, I'm one half of the Mason pair.

Interesting. Since I wasn't that suspicious of you to begin with, I'm satisfied with that for now. I suppose it could be a daring bluff from a wolf, but it seems like an unnecessary risk at this point.

[Cazero]

I don't really have a feel of the game yet. But I find it odd that Jeenleen get a spontaneous lantern wagon like that.
Voting Illven for the lantern to make a credible counterwagon.

And I think I'll go with Benoojian for defenestration for now. No strong reason.

[Snowblaze]

Eh, screw it.

Hardclaim town voider, I targeted Olive_Sophia last night. I have confirmation my action succeeded but not of what, if anything, I prevented her from doing. If I'm interpreting fluff correctly then she should be aware she was voided.

I'm just going to emphasise that this does not mean Olive is an outed wolf. It's evidence against her, but not by any means conclusive proof.

"But Snowblaze why are you doing this if you're not convinced you caught a wolf?"

a) I refuse to die with this information knowing that I could have actually outed a wolf and didn't. Granted I'm not in imminent danger rn, but I'm mildly paranoid about my blue potion.

b) I think it's good for gamestate to have something like this thrown into the mix. Mostly because our current wagons consist of a claimed mason and someone who puts up a pretty good defence and who I have no reason to mistrust beyond general principle.

(Benoojian/BCH would be okay-ish wagons but neither of them really feel right.)

And how people in general react to this could reveal a lot.

c) I think what Olive in particular does in response to this should make it a lot easier to read her, assuming I haven't left it too late for her to show up.

d) a town voider honestly isn't that useful imo unless they survive until endgame, which... let's be real, I'm me, that's not particularly likely anyway. A night wolves spend killing me is a night they can't be killing, say, the claimed mason or any investigative roles out there.

(Speaking of which, I'm defaulting to believing Persolus's claim until proven otherwise, he basically self-resolves now so I'll let him do that.)

(Also if you're curious about why Olive, I was targeting Persolus most of the phase and then realised that he was implying a powerful role if town so that was a bad idea and I didn't have any other suspects so I chose arbitrarily from the low posters.)

[Batcathat]

Olive_Sophia sounds like a good option. I'm a little paranoid Snow's emphasizing the uncertainty of it because she knows Olive will flip town, but even aside from me townreading Snow it seems like an unnecessary risk, instead of just pushing for either myself or blade.

I would like to hear a claim from Olive, but with Snow supposedly voiding her, I suppose she kinda has a built-in excuse for not doing something N1 we might verify.

[Athedia]

Honestly if we window Olive_Sophia and she isn't a voidable roll then we know to suspect Snowblaze. Not sure we will necessarily learn but honestly leads are going nowhere right now.

[AvatarVecna]

Olive_Sophia for now.

[Athedia]

Snowblaze if you are paranoid about the potion, you could carry the lantern which could be risky but is something

[Snowblaze]

Honestly if we window Olive_Sophia and she isn't a voidable roll then we know to suspect Snowblaze. Not sure we will necessarily learn but honestly leads are going nowhere right now.

I don't think whether Olive's role is voidable has an impact on whether my action would succeed; will ask for narrator clarification on that.

Snowblaze if you are paranoid about the potion, you could carry the lantern which could be risky but is something

It's fine, the paranoia isn't anything serious, just my usual self. I'm a lot more paranoid about the part where everyone is now jumping on the wagon I started. Which is also just my usual self and something I should have expected.

[Batcathat]

On one hand, I kinda want to give the lantern to Persolus or Snow. On the other hand, the fact that it can supposedly bring "bad luck" as well makes me a little worried. I suppose we'll have to either risk giving something good to a wolf or something bad to a likely townie, not sure what the best play is here. I would volunteer myself, but with my current standing I doubt many would support it.

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While I don't really understand how Jeen got so many votes for lantern carrier, I suppose someone who's neither confirmed town nor likely wolf might be a decent choice when we don't know the effects.

[Athedia]

I didn't really like the existing wagons and don't know if I will be able to get more info in the next 4 hours

[Let'sGetKraken]

I still don't understand how I got the Lantern N1 so I understand the confusion around Jeen.

Snowblaze. I think this could still be a wolfy double bluff... but it's the best we've got.

Olive_Sophia. Best lead we have so far. Sorry it's happening this close to EoD.

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Stupid mobile. Let me fix the colours shortly. Obviously voting for degeneration for Olive and the lantern for Snow.

[JeenLeen]

Had a moment to get online.
Definitely want Persolus to stay alive now. The scenario where I picture blade as a wolf is... well, not unlikely statitically... but it seems unreasonable and arrogant to think I pieced it together D1, so I assume I'm wrong. And it does seem the lynch wouldn't've gotten that far tied wolves.

I also kinda don't like the sudden wagon, but, like, how else would folk respond late Day when we maybe caught a wolf? Seems reasonable.
Enough votes have moved that she's almost certainly the target... well, I have a slight reason not to move my vote so I shan't, but seems a good lynch candidate.

I'll note (as others have) that, while Olive could be town and Snowblaze town -- just voided a townie, and it was a baner who stopped the kill -- it's also possible wolf!Snow used this to try to kill a relatively inactive player in hopes of wolf team lasting another Day.
BUT if she did that, I think she'd be more likely to target Book Wombat or flat_footed rather than a new player. Like, just a nicer way to do it.
And it is a plan destined to fail and lead to more wolf deaths. So a bad plan.
So, yeah, I'll believe Snow is town unless she gets counterclaimed or Olive is really a voider. I think, if there's a counterclaim, they should wait until D3 since it's too close to EOD to really get the wagons to switch.

[CaoimhinTheCape]

Vote: Flat_footed so we have a second option. Nothing from his 4 posts give me any reason to think town, so I'd like to poke there (and if he ends up voted out, fine).

Blade's defense sounds good to me, not quite in my town read list but I'm not interesting in voting him anymore.

[bladescape]

Mmmm solo mason claim doesn't match what I was expecting from the soft but...

I'll leave it for now.

Flat_footed

For tension reasons.

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Snowblaze

I don't remember why I jeen voted for Lantern tbh but I'm sure I had a reason.

[Snowblaze]

Olive_Sophia 5: Snowblaze, Batcathat, Athedia, AvatarVecna, Let'sGetKraken
flat_footed 2: CaoimhinTheCape, bladescape
Persolus 2: flat_footed, MayanStar
Benoojian 1: Cazero
AvatarVecna 1: Benoojian
bladescape 1: Metastachydium
Snowblaze 1: Illven
Metastachydium 1: Jeenleen

There's probably something wrong with this vote count, let me go check.

flat is as good a counterwagon as anyone, and I support the principle of having counterwagons at least.

[Athedia]

Wow that did grow fast, but yeah we are working with not enough info. We got lucky D1 and N1, hopefully that holds.

Keeping my lantern vote the same mostly because I can't *find* my original one

[Snowblaze]

Benoojian is voting for Batcathat, not AV; Caoimhin's vote count which I was working from had him voting both, and I took a guess before checking which turned out wrong.

Also flat_footed has crossed out his Persolus vote since he last posted.

[Batcathat]

I think I'll go with Snowblaze for lantern holder. If Olive flips wolf, Snow got a target on her back and the lantern is at least a possibility of protection.

I have a meeting starting soon that might go past EoD, so if there's any last minute action, I might not be able to react.

[Athedia]

If someone can find the post I voted for Jeen for lantern I will cross it out and put Snow instead.

[Batcathat]

If someone can find the post I voted for Jeen for lantern I will cross it out and put Snow instead.

Middle of page 8.

[Athedia]

Yeah no the vibes on "strange mysterious liquid" are kinda rancid. JeenLeen can take the lantern. Going to wait to see how the yeet vote develops more though.

I was going *way* to far back. I could have sworn it was earlier thank you!

Snowblaze I would rather chance it with the lantern.

[Snowblaze]

I mean, if you really want to elect me... Snowblaze, what could possibly go wrong?

I am tempted to switch to flat here.

That's a bad idea for several reasons. Still tempted.

[Olive_Sophia]

Oh god Snowblaze what have you done?! My power was blocked last night, but I’m not a wolf. I have a really important info power for town, so yeeting me now is really going to hurt you all. You’re more or less forcing me to claim now which means I’ll be killed tonight anyways… jeez.

[Let'sGetKraken]

I mean, if you really want to elect me... Snowblaze, what could possibly go wrong?

I am tempted to switch to flat here.

That's a bad idea for several reasons. Still tempted.

If you change you vote to flat, you've outed yourself for essentially nothing? You'll presumably be immune tonight but still.