One Piece Live Action

[Traab]

Given he's meant to be a super creepy Dracula style guy who is otherworldly and vaguely intimidating, this seems like a good thing imo!

See I never took him as creepy before. He was just this legendary figure who was clearly either of noble rank or rich and powerful enough to carry it off anyways because who is gonna be dumb enough to call him out for being a former farm boy turned cabin boy, turned swordmaster? (I dont know what his actual backstory is) He wasnt scary like a horror movie, he was scary because he is really really strong and anyone who sees him knows it. But like I said, I loved the actor, I loved how he moved and spoke, it was just this strange thing about his face that bugged me. I really like how he plays up the whole "I am so bored up here at the peak of the mountain. I wish something interesting would happen." /meets zoro "Well now! This has potential."

[LaZodiac]

See I never took him as creepy before. He was just this legendary figure who was clearly either of noble rank or rich and powerful enough to carry it off anyways because who is gonna be dumb enough to call him out for being a former farm boy turned cabin boy, turned swordmaster? (I dont know what his actual backstory is) He wasnt scary like a horror movie, he was scary because he is really really strong and anyone who sees him knows it. But like I said, I loved the actor, I loved how he moved and spoke, it was just this strange thing about his face that bugged me. I really like how he plays up the whole "I am so bored up here at the peak of the mountain. I wish something interesting would happen." /meets zoro "Well now! This has potential."

Entirely fair! Given his name (Dracul Mihawk), his gothic dress, his casket ship, and his general vibe, I've always felt he's meant to come off as a spooky horror guy.

All we know about Mihawk's backstory is that he lives on a haunted castlevania looking island in a ruined castle, surrounded by bloodthirsty murder gorillas that you have to fight through to leave or enter the island, completely and utterly alone otherwise.

[ben-zayb]

I dont think a Sanji more true to the story would have worked. Manga Sanji is stick thin.
Someone smaller would not have been a believable fighter in the same way.
Or able to do Sanji's kicks the way the life actor is.
(saw some behind the scene of him doing kick training)

People's skepticism when the cast was first revealed had more to do with Taz looking more like Enel than Sanji. It's the shallowest of reasons, I know.

I also prefer not having a 1:1 Sanji adaptation anyway. Oda's Sanji can be super problematic

[LaZodiac]

People's skepticism when the cast was first revealed had more to do with Taz looking more like Enel than Sanji. It's the shallowest of reasons, I know.

I also prefer not having a 1:1 Sanji adaptation anyway. Oda's Sanji can be super problematic

I feel it is worth noting that Taz is like, one of the only cast members that had even a slight "are you sure?" about him. Pretty much every other casting, at least in my experience, was laser targeted spot on.

[lord_khaine]

Entirely fair! Given his name (Dracul Mihawk), his gothic dress, his casket ship, and his general vibe, I've always felt he's meant to come off as a spooky horror guy.

Spooky isnt quite the same as creepy.
Though i more get he is supposed to come across as Jaded than anything else.

Did seem like the direction they went with him here as well.
And of course it does make sense. He is the worlds greatest swordsman.
He accomplish his dream. He dont really have anything else to do.

I also prefer not having a 1:1 Sanji adaptation anyway. Oda's Sanji can be super problematic

Hmm. I dont think problematic is quite the word.
Certainly a little grating when he goes completely overboard.
But its a comic of comical exaggeration.

I am glad they dialed everyone down to 9.

[LaZodiac]

Spooky isnt quite the same as creepy.
Though i more get he is supposed to come across as Jaded than anything else.

Did seem like the direction they went with him here as well.
And of course it does make sense. He is the worlds greatest swordsman.
He accomplish his dream. He dont really have anything else to do.



Hmm. I dont think problematic is quite the word.
Certainly a little grating when he goes completely overboard.
But its a comic of comical exaggeration.

I am glad they dialed everyone down to 9.

Fair. I'm not sure on the difference between spooky and creepy personally, though.

And yeah no he's DEFINITELY jaded. He's at the top of the world and the only person who could entertain him is disabled in a way that he thinks makes him too weak to even consider. It's why he's so into Zoro- finally someone who MIGHT rise to the occasion!

Live Action One Piece Sanji will see a mermaid and NOT almost die to the point where he needs a super rare blood transfusion, and that makes him a better instance of the character in every regard.

[lord_khaine]

Fair. I'm not sure on the difference between spooky and creepy personally, though.

I would say its between a vampire, and the weird old bum with a glass eye who sits behind you talking to himself.

Live Action One Piece Sanji will see a mermaid and NOT almost die to the point where he needs a super rare blood transfusion, and that makes him a better instance of the character in every regard.

Objection!
Pre-timeskip Sanji saw several mermaids and were fine.
Its just post-timeskip he had a period where he was dealing with PTSD.

[LaZodiac]

I would say its between a vampire, and the weird old bum with a glass eye who sits behind you talking to himself.



Objection!
Pre-timeskip Sanji saw several mermaids and were fine.
Its just post-timeskip he had a period where he was dealing with PTSD.

Overruled. Pre-timeskip Sanji saw "a mermaid" and was fine. He doesn't count the grandma, he only ever saw Kaimei.

Post-timeskip Sanji saw an entire bathing park full of mermaids.

[Dragonus45]

Hmm. I dont think problematic is quite the word.
Certainly a little grating when he goes completely overboard.
But its a comic of comical exaggeration.

I am glad they dialed everyone down to 9.

Yea problematic isn't quite right. Cartoonish lands closer, and also wouldn't translate to live action regardless. I kind of liked how live action Sanji had the rizz but it just bounced off everyone anyways which was equally funny in a way that works better live action.

Live Action One Piece Sanji will see a mermaid and NOT almost die to the point where he needs a super rare blood transfusion, and that makes him a better instance of the character in every regard.

That does sound way less funny though so I call it a net loss.

[Vahnavoi]

If they ever get that far, figuring out another reason for Sanji to need a blood transfusion ought to be trivial. It could even still be about mermaids - for example, he could try to be chivalrous towards some shark-type mermaid, the lady gets the wrong idea and bites him, cue drama. It would even fit larger themes of that story arc perfectly.

[lord_khaine]

Overruled. Pre-timeskip Sanji saw "a mermaid" and was fine. He doesn't count the grandma, he only ever saw Kaimei.

Double objection. Grandma Kokoro is still a mermaid no matter if you or Sanji count her as one.
Dont be ageist!

I kind of liked how live action Sanji had the rizz but it just bounced off everyone anyways which was equally funny in a way that works better live action.

I liked how Zorro teased Nami with it afterwards :D
The actors got great chemistry.

Sanji's charm still proved relevant when it came to dealing with Nami's sister though.
So i guess he is supposed to be some degree of charming.

If they ever get that far, figuring out another reason for Sanji to need a blood transfusion ought to be trivial.

It seems easier to just drop this sub plot?

[LaZodiac]

Double objection. Grandma Kokoro is still a mermaid no matter if you or Sanji count her as one.
Dont be ageist!

I liked how Zorro teased Nami with it afterwards :D
The actors got great chemistry.

Sanji's charm still proved relevant when it came to dealing with Nami's sister though.
So i guess he is supposed to be some degree of charming.

It seems easier to just drop this sub plot?

Denied! The amount of mermaids present is still a factor, and regardless of the reality of Kokoro and her grand daughter being mermaids, neither of them are in the range for Sanji to be horny, thus not suitable for Sanji's bad character trait. Them not counting in his eyes definitely matters re "would Sanji die pre time skip if he saw upwards of like 10 sexy mermaids?". While I admit spending time on "I think this counts as a hate crime" Island did definitely like, severely damage him, and having the bathing park of mermaids be one of the first times he saw a hot woman in two years, I don't think it is THAT powerful enough a factor... and also the entire crux of my argument is "this is not treated as a comedy moment it is actually treated super seriously with Chopper having to find someone with compatible blood and it being a whole Thing due to the fish racism of the surface world". That's kind of my issue with the scene- it is taking his stupid goof ass character trait and applying it a bit too seriously for what it is.

God yeah Zorro and Nami had great chemistry, especially in the drinking scene. The crew in general clearly have the vibe of like, seriously being friends, and that is what is needed to make this work.

Sanji is absolutely charming up to the exact moment he says one too many words... or if you're not straight, in which case he immediately registers as A Putz.

The point of the sub plot is to show that "Hody has put a sort of lock-down on the city RE helping of humans", so the blood transfusion plot should be kept on that range- or at least changed. I'd have it that the travel down to Fishman Island involves them losing all their food and they end up starving. This is equally able to show off how Hody's enforced racial segregation is inflicted by his gang violence, able to be played as a joke that is also kind of serious (Luffy is starving but he's Always Hungry but like, it's actually serious this time especially since he had to fight off all the sea creatures AND the Pacifista's) aaand if I recall Arlong's sister is the shark fortune-teller lady who gives the blood to Sanji and she also runs a cafe if I recall so like, it all fits together nice and snuggly?

[Dragonus45]

I liked how Zorro teased Nami with it afterwards :D
The actors got great chemistry.

Sanji's charm still proved relevant when it came to dealing with Nami's sister though.
So i guess he is supposed to be some degree of charming.

Yea I think idea is to have him be legit charming but still struggle to get anyone to actually like him.

Denied! The amount of mermaids present is still a factor, and regardless of the reality of Kokoro and her grand daughter being mermaids, neither of them are in the range for Sanji to be horny, thus not suitable for Sanji's bad character trait. Them not counting in his eyes definitely matters re "would Sanji die pre time skip if he saw upwards of like 10 sexy mermaids?". While I admit spending time on "I think this counts as a hate crime" Island did definitely like, severely damage him, and having the bathing park of mermaids be one of the first times he saw a hot woman in two years, I don't think it is THAT powerful enough a factor... and also the entire crux of my argument is "this is not treated as a comedy moment it is actually treated super seriously with Chopper having to find someone with compatible blood and it being a whole Thing due to the fish racism of the surface world". That's kind of my issue with the scene- it is taking his stupid goof ass character trait and applying it a bit too seriously for what it is.

Taking the comedic beat but treating it so seriously a genuine life threatening plot point that drives a large section of the arc was so baffling stupid it took it all the way back around to hilarious.

Sanji is absolutely charming up to the exact moment he says one too many words... or if you're not straight, in which case he immediately registers as A Putz.

Yea he has all the tools but he is applying them too liberally all at once, to be real he could probably pick me up at a bar though.

[lord_khaine]

Denied! The amount of mermaids present is still a factor, and regardless of the reality of Kokoro and her grand daughter being mermaids, neither of them are in the range for Sanji to be horny, thus not suitable for Sanji's bad character trait. Them not counting in his eyes definitely matters re "would Sanji die pre time skip if he saw upwards of like 10 sexy mermaids?". While I admit spending time on "I think this counts as a hate crime" Island did definitely like, severely damage him, and having the bathing park of mermaids be one of the first times he saw a hot woman in two years, I don't think it is THAT powerful enough a factor... and also the entire crux of my argument is "this is not treated as a comedy moment it is actually treated super seriously with Chopper having to find someone with compatible blood and it being a whole Thing due to the fish racism of the surface world". That's kind of my issue with the scene- it is taking his stupid goof ass character trait and applying it a bit too seriously for what it is.

Denial denied!
You didnt specify any qualification past mermaid. Sanji meet 2 of them before the time skip. Without reaction worse than towards any other pretty girl.
I also think calling it "horny" is misrepresenting his behavior. I think "in love" or "instantly smitten" is more descriptive.

That aside, it was directly stated by i think Doctor Chopper, that things had gotten a lot worse for Sanji after Hell Island.
And what pushed him over the edge wasnt the sight of a mermaid. Or even a park full of them. Or swimming with them.
It was being held tightly by one of the mermaids as she tried to keep him out of sight of Hodi's goons.

Something that also reminds me, we likely should try and be careful with direct crew spoilers.
Since it seems several people here has not read the manga. This side plot likely will get dropped.
So i dont think it matters. But we likely should be careful about crew, or what happens in Alabaster, The Enu arc. Or water 7.

aaand if I recall Arlong's sister is the shark fortune-teller lady who gives the blood to Sanji

I recall it being a couple members of Ivanko's Kingdom passing by.

Yea he has all the tools but he is applying them too liberally all at once, to be real he could probably pick me up at a bar though.

Sanji's actor? Well he genuinly cooks!
And i saw some shirtless pictures of him. He has the physique of a gymnast.

Eh. Well but talking of non-spoilery plot things.
I do think the LA dropped be ball slightly on Nami's arc.
Leaving out the detail that Nami's maps were crucial for Arlong because they mapped the sea streams.
Made it less clear why he could not allow her to leave. I also think the manga version of Arlong was superior.
The movie version actually seemed less scary with all his snarling and posturing.
While comic Arlong is all could business.

[GloatingSwine]

I also think calling it "horny" is misrepresenting his behavior. I think "in love" or "instantly smitten" is more descriptive.

Trouble is he just comes off as a creeper. And at his worst (which has been most of the time post-timeskip) he just has no other personality because his rivalry with Zoro is mostly faded now and he's settled into third place.

(And the creeper jokes work better with Brook because he's too absurd to resemble anything serious.)

[Dragonus45]

Trouble is he just comes off as a creeper. And at his worst (which has been most of the time post-timeskip) he just has no other personality because his rivalry with Zoro is mostly faded now and he's settled into third place.

(And the creeper jokes work better with Brook because he's too absurd to resemble anything serious.)

Mileage certainly varies here, he's far too absurd and cartoonish to come across as creepy and takes no for an answer for all that he is over the top when he takes his pass at someone.

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On top of that he had a ton of development with his family, a genuine romance arc with some real tragedy to it, and a whole thing in Wano with him declaring he would stick to his convictions and trust that Luffy would rather he be himself then be the kind of soulless monster his family have turned themselves into even if it meant he would be a better fighter.