5e Swashbuckler: Single Class, Single weapon! No M/C and no magic... can it be fun?

[Psyren]

That's part of what makes it statistically preposterous.

Again, so what/who cares? Even if there's some hidden rule we don't know about like "everyone gets at least two 20s" or "reroll everything under 10" or even "reroll as often as you want" like Damon_Tor said that led to this, what matters is that everyone at the table has good stats and therefore the game is fair.

[LudicSavant]

Again, so what

So exactly what I said. People comparing it to the likelihood of rolling three 20s in a row are off by orders of magnitude.

what matters is that everyone at the table has good stats and therefore the game is fair.

That matters to you, not me. You just barged into the thread and started strawmanning HHFF and then going "who cares?" to the subjects other posters were discussing.

[Psyren]

That matters to you, not me. You just barged into the thread and started strawmanning HHFF and then going "who cares?" to the subjects other posters were discussing.

Because I thought the tone towards the OP was overly harsh, including people saying things like "throw out your dice" and "intentional cheating." So yeah, I "barged into the thread" to put forth another point of view. That's allowed on a forum.

[LudicSavant]

I don't see accusing them of cheating or using weighted dice as being helpful.

Because I thought the tone towards the OP was overly harsh, including people saying things like "throw out your dice" and "intentional cheating." So yeah, I "barged into the thread" to put forth another point of view. That's allowed on a forum.

HHFF did not, in fact, accuse him of intentional cheating, any more than he accused himself of being long-term delusional, or claimed that some unique event that revolutionized physics had occurred.

[Psyren]

HHFF did not, in fact,

I was neither singling out HHFF nor you with my original comment. And I'm still not. I've said my peace.

[LudicSavant]

I was neither singling out HHFF nor you with my original comment. And I'm still not. I've said my peace.

That comment doesn't apply to anyone in the thread.

[CTurbo]

Ok guys lets get back on topic.

How he got his stats ultimately doesn't matter to what he's asking.

[H_H_F_F]

Psyren, I did not mean anything offensive by "throw out your dice", and I'd like to apologize to OP if it came across that way. Seriously, I'm sorry.

The reason I brought this up is not that there's anything wrong with the entire party playing with Uber-attributes. In fact, I'd say it's probably a good thing for balance overall - Martials are still more MAD than casters in 5E, right?

I did not, at any point, advocate for rerolling their abilities, or anything like that. I said what I very literally meant - dice that roll like this are imbalanced, and unlike just rolling attributes, actually playing with imbalanced dice can very negatively affect the entire gaming experience, in my opinion. I think that's a very much in consensus. Therefore, I recommend throwing them away.

There are cheater dice out there. Me and my friends accidentally used one for half a session before realizing something was off - that die came in a dice mega-pack, and had multiple 20's on it - we just didn't notice. When we realized what was going on, we safely sequestered it away. That's all I meant. Again, OP, I apologize if that came across the wrong way.



As for everyone suggesting that there were infinite rerolls, free-20's, or any other significant story details that we weren't given - I'd find it very strange if OP bothered telling us the whole backstory with accidentally rolling a d20, but not mention these details, which is why I think imbalanced dice are a more probable cause.

Still, I think such an omission is far more probably than anything else except bad dice, and it's exactly the sort of thing I meant with option 2 in my "likelihood scale".

[Psyren]

Again, it was just an example, not a singular callout - and as I said previously and CTurbo reinforced, I've said my peace on the subject.

One thing I wanted to ask the OP about when they get back:

I'm probably going single weapon moving forward, because within the current system, I can't figure out how to emulate the combat style of a certain Dark Elf Hero that my character has heard about and come to idolize!

Did you mean Drizz't here? Because you seem to be going for an einhander / rakish Errol Flynn style with a single weapon like a rapier. That would fit better with emulating someone like Jarlaxle, but "hero" isn't exactly the first word that comes to mind for him, at least for me.

[H_H_F_F]

Did you mean Drizz't here? Because you seem to be going for an einhander / rakish Errol Flynn style with a single weapon like a rapier. That would fit better with emulating someone like Jarlaxle, but "hero" isn't exactly the first word that comes to mind for him, at least for me.

I think they were making the point that they don't know how to emulate Drizz't in 5E, so they're going einhander instead.

[Psyren]

I think they were making the point that they don't know how to emulate Drizz't in 5E, so they're going einhander instead.

Right - and I wasn't sure if that was a conscious shift or simply not knowing how to make a decent TWF rogue (since that's Drizz't's most defining trait.) Or even if the OP did in fact mean someone else entirely like Jarlaxle.

[H_H_F_F]

Right - and I wasn't sure if that was a conscious shift or simply not knowing how to make a decent TWF rogue (since that's Drizz't's most defining trait.) Or even if the OP did in fact mean someone else entirely like Jarlaxle.

Maybe he wants that storm of blades style of fighting that Drizz't did. In 3.5, you can have 4 attacks with your main hand and 3 with your off-hand before even starting to consider ways to increase number of attacks - that's just the default twf tree. Sure, it's far from optimized, but it can be done.

In 5E, only fighters attack that much, and your off-hand is "stuck" as a single attack. Drizz't's whole thing is two blades working completely in unison, ambidextirity, etc. Can't do that, not really. Maybe that's why OP drifted away?

[Damon_Tor]

...or claimed that some unique event that revolutionized physics had occurred.

Cut two slits into a piece of cardboard and shine a light through it onto a backdrop. The photons from the light technically have an equal chance to hit each spot on the backdrop they can get through with those slots evenly, and yet the photons manage to cluster up into odd bands when observed.

It's just that, but with dice.

[LudicSavant]

Cut two slits into a piece of cardboard and shine a light through it onto a backdrop. The photons from the light technically have an equal chance to hit each spot on the backdrop they can get through with those slots evenly, and yet the photons manage to cluster up into odd bands when observed.

It's just that, but with dice.

[Wasp]

With the restriction on one weapon and no magic I think it might be worth looking into the possibility to pick up the Revenant Blade feat and a Double-Bladed Scimitar for a bonus action attack with a weapon that counts as a finesse weapon you (thanks to the feat).