[PF1 Altered - Low Level Gestalt] Isekai Adventures

[Arael666]

I'm having quite a hard time understanding the build rules. I mean, I though I understood but then the listed example contradicts my understanding.

The main issue is the palading gets 20 RFS for his spellcasting, but to buy palading spellcasting back he only spends 5 RFS?

[Duqueen]

EDIT: hadn't seen the rules update. Dang it, now that left me confused too. trade spellcasting for 20 RFS and buy it back for 5 RFS?

Well, not that I care much for it, I am not using casting classes anyway.

I'm having quite a hard time understanding the build rules. I mean, I though I understood but then the listed example contradicts my understanding.

The main issue is the palading gets 20 RFS for his spellcasting, but to buy palading spellcasting back he only spends 5 RFS?

[Yas392]

@Talivan Is witches patron spell feature 3 or 4 RFS?

[Talivan]

Hello Guys, Life happens, too bussy today, will answer questions tomorrow, sorry

[Jack_Simth]

Spellcasting:
- We will using this modified spellcasting system (similar to Psionics):
- Arcane Spell slots translated to Arcane Magic Points (AMP), same for Divine (DMP) and Special spellcasting such as Alchemist Class (SMP), with a rate of 1 MP per Slot Level
- Spells can be casted using MP equal to spell level
- Metamagic adds to MP cost, you are restricted to spend MP equal to the maximum spell level you can cast
- Bonus spell slots also translated to MP
- MP from diferent sources are combined into a unique pool by magic type (Divine, Arcane, etc), but class Spell Lists and Spell DCs are managed separately
- Bonus INT points from equiped/held Magic items or temporal bonuses doesn't give you extra spells known (in the case of Wizard's Lv 1 starting spells or similar for other classes), only permanent increases does.

How does this work with prepared casters (Wizard, Cleric, Druid, Shaman, et cetera)?
Do they just cast any spell they know spontaneously (e.g., any spell in a Wizard's spellbook, any spell on the list for the Cleric, Druid, or Shaman)?
Do they prepare spells in their slots, and then cast those spontaneously (e.g., the Wizard prepares spells from spellbook, and "knows" those spells for the day)?
-- Slots from high ability score, specialities, domains, et cetera: Also add to "today's known" for this?
Something I didn't think of (e.g., they gain a spells known list from somewhere)?

EDIT: hadn't seen the rules update. Dang it, now that left me confused too. trade spellcasting for 20 RFS and buy it back for 5 RFS?

Well, not that I care much for it, I am not using casting classes anyway.

It's intended as a straight-up upgrade for Paladin, Ranger, and similar.

[Zhentarim]

I'll post my bard/alchemist multiclass later today.

[ProgressPaladin]

Can I take a feature and a feature that replaces it?

[Dakrsidder]

I think I got all the mechanics right, so I’ll put it here as a placeholder

Ended up taking features from a total of 14 archetypes, which is a bit more than I anticipated

[AvatarVecna]

Ditching drake after all just cuz kinda frustrated with it. Drake powers too rare; even if I were tristalt 20 stacking three progressions still couldn't have a fully upgraded drake. It's difficult to buff since most appropriate stuff specifies animals or AC specifically, and it's got a tempermental personality while normal AC just cooperates.

Here's planned level tables. Base race will probably be goblin.

Spoiler: Conscript

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Combat Specializations turns 11 bonus feats into: Blackpowder Training (4), Conscript Weapon Training (4), Mount (3)

Lvl	Slots	Features
1	5	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat, Combat Specializations, Sphere Specialization (?), Bonus Talent
2	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
3	2	Talent Progression, Well-Equipped
4	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
5	2	Talent Progression, Analytical Gaze
6	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
7	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Talent
8	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
9	2	Talent Progression, Guarding Gear
10	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
11	2	Talent Progression, Well-Equipped
12	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
13	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Talent
14	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
15	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Talent
16	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
17	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Talent
18	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
19	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Talent
20	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat

Spoiler: Blacksmith

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Lvl	Slots	Features
1	5	Talent Progression, Combat Training, Maintenance, Drills, Bonus Feat
2	3	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight, Bonus Feat
3	3	Talent Progression, Reforge, Bonus Feat
4	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
5	3	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
6	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
7	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
8	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
9	3	Talent Progression, Rapid Maintenance, Rapid Drills
10	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
11	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
12	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
13	3	Talent Progression, Rapid Maintenance, Rapid Drills
14	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
15	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
16	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
17	3	Talent Progression, Rapid Maintenance, Rapid Drills
18	2	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight
19	2	Talent Progression, Bonus Feat
20	3	Talent Progression, Smithing Insight

Spoiler: Race

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Base: Goblin (10 RP)

Attributes: Greater Paragon --> Advanced (+2 RP) (-2/+4/+0/+2/+2/+2)
Defenses: Moon-Touched Damage Reduction (+3 RP)

PC Sheet: Vogun Guttr

AC Sheet: Akela

[Jack_Simth]

Huh. The Monstrous Mount feat for a Griffon Animal Companion is ALMOST as deadly as a "default" Eidolon at this level, and can be geared more easily: Armor makes them more durable. They'll fall off in a few levels when an Eidolon can pick up the Large evolution (or immediately, with something like bleed(claws) with four claws and Pounce), but still...

@Talivan: Do you have target numbers for optimization? A reference creature that should be "a tough but doable solo fight" for us or anything? There's going to be a very wide range of optimization levels without some guidelines, and that can lead to "wait, why am I here?" moments for players.

[Greenflame133]

I have question regarding what is permeant bonus. Or rather are you overwriting the base behavior where bonus form items became permanent after 24 hours of wearing them.

Regardless I think I will try to make build based on Spell Cartridges and SoM. With classes quite likely gunslinger and sorcerer, replacing some stuff to get some SoM and Feats. This reminds me, are Legendary Talents from SoM aviable?

[Benoojian]

This ruleset is wild and I definitely want to try to build something with it. My current thought is Summoner//Witch

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[Shiro_Nogard]

Name: Andalus Methys
Race: Aasimar
Deity: Calistria
Classes: investigator / Blacksmith.

Andalus began his life as an atypical bar worker. He began working shortly after his parents died thanks to the contact of the priestess of the Calistra temple. Growing up, he realized that it was not so bad in physical aspects, but it was better in the mental field, for which he manages to learn the magic.
With the passage of time, he managed to make various skills of the premises patrons. This caught the attention of temple operations and extended a learning offer.
Andalus proved to be a somewhat eccentric child in his tastes and skills, being better in field work by sending modified homunculi to do the work of spies and explorers. Over time, I get fame among their coworkers as someone a little dark, but since the managers never reached more, they let him continue.
It is rare to see it without 'Jaina' a homunculus of medium size with a gypsy look and Nikka a fairy 'poppet' that helps him with his work.

Finishing sheet in a couple of days.




I have some questions.

Could it be possible that 'Gauntlet Shield' of the Equipment Sphere function as 'Associated Feat: Shield Gauntlet Style' to be able to take the other 2 as feats?

[Jack_Simth]

Player	Character
AvatarVecna	Vogun Guttr and AC Akela
Dakrsidder	here
Jack_Simth	Adam and AC Gerald
Benoojian	Max Moggie
Arael666	Nizam
Shiro_Nogard	Andalus Methys and Hera Cless

Spoiler: Backstory "in game", also on sheet

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Yes, technically, I'm a noble. Really, though, I don't care. Despite getting my father's name, I'm well aware I'm not going to inherit anything. First off, while my father is human, there's no way I'm outliving my elvish mother, so really, she's the one who's going to be running everything when my father kicks it... which is probably why her family agreed to the marriage to cement the trade agreement, honestly: They lose their daughter for fifty or sixty years, and at the end, she's running a duchy on the other side of the border for centuries... and of course, as she'll be the one in charge, she'll be able to get a 'proper' elvish husband, and have pureblood children - one of which they'll of course name as the heir. Even if she somehow dies before my father, my chances of inheriting my father's holdings are basically nothing anyway: Despite getting his name, I'm the fourth son, and Dad's quite traditional: My eldest brother is going to take the duchy.

So I'm not going to get much... but that's okay. I had access to a lot of very practical training - which I took full advantage of - and I'm assigned one of the guards, Gerald, with whom I have quite the connection. Where is he? Oh, he's in the feathers, carrying our stuff. He doesn't have hands, so I help him with his armor, in turn, he carries everything I won't need quickly. And yes, technically he's a household servant, but really... what household? Bah! Nobility. Nah, if I want to get ahead in life, I'll have to arrange it myself.

Spoiler: Backstory "out of game", also on sheet

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Nah, I just thought that all would be fun, and explain the weirdness in the build I was using every time I went out to play. I mean, seriously, I'm a full caster, yes, but I'm also a dipfest for maximum defenses, and some flexibility that gets me basically any Oracle spell with one round's notice... and I can do metamagic feats, too. It's a fun build.

In real life, though? I'm a game programmer. No, I don't get to play at work. It's not as fun as it sounds, because it's the game designers that make the games, and the testers that play them. I'm one of the folks responsible for implementing features that the game designers then use in scripting... and there's WAY more oversight than you'd think. The game designers open a ticket for what they want us to add in (or the testers for what's broken), the boss assigns someone to it, we create a branch from our gitlab, work on it, do some simple testing, flag the boss when it's done, and he takes a look, tells us what we need to do better... rinse and repeat a few times, then it gets merged into the codebase.

...but how did I get HERE, come to life as my character?

[Benoojian]

I have not built the character yet, I just spent a couple hours building and writing a class chassis for both sides

Summoner drops both spellcasting and Eidolon to focus entirely on the summoning spell like abilities, heavily uses Celestial Commander 3rd party archetype

Witch drops Patron and Patron spells to pick up various debuffing and charismatic abilities as well as keying off Charisma instead of Intelligence

Essentially the character is meant to have a personality so forceful that if he can't charm someone into doing something for him, he can charm the universe into creating someone that's willing to do it for him.

[Jack_Simth]

Few have submitted sheets, and of those, most are not complete, but so far, we have:

A skillmonkey / librarian
A beatstick (and the nominal PC, a goblin... but seriously, it looks like you're "playing the monster" there)
A healbot recharging station (with a flying packmule)

[Benoojian]

Max Moggie, a cashier in his own world, he found that in this new world, in his new Catfolk body, that being kind and charismatic had literal magic powers, but so did the Evil Eye his grandmother warned him about. Will he succumb to the lure of easy power or will he refuse to let it change him?

Witch 6//Summoner 6, with many substitutions.

[AvatarVecna]

A beatstick (and the nominal PC, a goblin... but seriously, it looks like you're "playing the monster" there)

"Nominal" PC is gunslinging damage machine. "Beatstick" is gonna be more of a buff platform via Warleader sphere, and is giving up multiattack for more martial talents. Attack bonus is high, but even a guaranteed 2d8+12 per round is hardly bank-breaking DPR at lvl 6, and I'd rather buff the party than make an extra attack that isn't even magic damage. I wanted an AC that isn't gonna get ganked in gestalt combat, and I've got that, so I'm happy.

EDIT: I've been holding off selecting talents until I see how the DM rules on legendary options, but seeing as the DM hasn't been on the forum at all for over a week, I'm not exactly feeling a lot of pressure to finish my sheet.

[5ColouredWalker]

Ok, rereading things and with 3p available I'm interested.

50/50 I go a martial artist or gunslinger extraordinaire given the rules.

Spoiler: Maybe

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Spoiler: No

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Spoiler: Maybe

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Spoiler: No

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Spoiler: No

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Spoiler: No

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Set 1 or 3. The set with 18 has some big penalties, 1 has better peaks, 3 has a great baseline... I am considering.

[Dakrsidder]

A skillmonkey / librarian

Honestly, I didn’t realize that was a fairly accurate description until you mentioned it, but there do be the meager buffs and cc too. That said, I was contemplating stripping Weird Musician for its first performance, but giving everyone a scaling evolution pool might be a bit much, especially with all the minions

[Benoojian]

Honestly, I didn’t realize that was a fairly accurate description until you mentioned it, but there do be the meager buffs and cc too. That said, I was contemplating stripping Weird Musician for its first performance, but giving everyone a scaling evolution pool might be a bit much, especially with all the minions

If you have space for it, it would be terrifyingly effective

[Talivan]

Hello Guys, how are you doing?!?!,

Sorry for suddenly Hide in plain sight, I got fired from my Job (Basically I became too expensive for the company to sustain and also they needed flesh blood, and I was an old dog by now...), also lost access to a PC (was using Job's Laptop to access internet).

I was arranging some life stuff in the past days, please giveme a little more time and I will get back to you, I'm not planning to stop this, by the contrary, I will have more time to spare in the near future!.

see you guys in a bit!

[Jack_Simth]

Hello Guys, how are you doing?!?!,

Sorry for suddenly Hide in plain sight, I got fired from my Job (Basically I became too expensive for the company to sustain and also they needed flesh blood, and I was an old dog by now...), also lost access to a PC (was using Job's Laptop to access internet).

I was arranging some life stuff in the past days, please giveme a little more time and I will get back to you, I'm not planning to stop this, by the contrary, I will have more time to spare in the near future!.

see you guys in a bit!

That's rough. At least you're not hurt.

Honestly, I didn’t realize that was a fairly accurate description until you mentioned it, but there do be the meager buffs and cc too. That said, I was contemplating stripping Weird Musician for its first performance, but giving everyone a scaling evolution pool might be a bit much, especially with all the minions

Checking... ooh, that's a fun one. Floating Eidolon Evolutions? Those can be feats (which can in turn be spells known - also Talents with Spheres of Might in play; that's terrifyingly useful if we also get a Sorcerer or a Martial Adept in the party... which it looks like we might), skill boosts (at +8), extra attacks, stat boosts, movement modes... it's a pretty big list.

Witch 6//Summoner 6, with many substitutions.

Edited into the sheet tracking

"Nominal" PC is gunslinging damage machine. "Beatstick" is gonna be more of a buff platform via Warleader sphere, and is giving up multiattack for more martial talents. Attack bonus is high, but even a guaranteed 2d8+12 per round is hardly bank-breaking DPR at lvl 6, and I'd rather buff the party than make an extra attack that isn't even magic damage. I wanted an AC that isn't gonna get ganked in gestalt combat, and I've got that, so I'm happy.

EDIT: I've been holding off selecting talents until I see how the DM rules on legendary options, but seeing as the DM hasn't been on the forum at all for over a week, I'm not exactly feeling a lot of pressure to finish my sheet.

Ah. Sorry, I didn't get deeply into the builds, I was just taking a quick glance.

[AvatarVecna]

Ah. Sorry, I didn't get deeply into the builds, I was just taking a quick glance.

Oh that wasn't me blaming you, sorry! No just a correction cuz like I know it looks bad on paper before talents get chosen lol. Build could swing so much depending on talent choices, and there's hundreds of options, so just clarifying what I'll be going for. Doggo is like Athletics/Warleader to be a mobile buff platform, goblin is going like Barrage/Equipment/Scout/Sniper for ranged DPR.

[Dakrsidder]

I suppose I’ll add it in the meantime and see what happens, but yeah, the power + versatility being high is what concerns me

[Jack_Simth]

Max Moggie, a cashier in his own world, he found that in this new world, in his new Catfolk body, that being kind and charismatic had literal magic powers, but so did the Evil Eye his grandmother warned him about. Will he succumb to the lure of easy power or will he refuse to let it change him?

Witch 6//Summoner 6, with many substitutions.

With that Charisma, you may want to look up the Feytouched Hexer.

[Benoojian]

With that Charisma, you may want to look up the Feytouched Hexer.

Seducer has the Charisma switch as a simple Class Feature, so I can take it without switching my spellcasting to Spontaneous.

[Shiro_Nogard]

Hello Guys, how are you doing?!?!,

Sorry for suddenly Hide in plain sight, I got fired from my Job (Basically I became too expensive for the company to sustain and also they needed flesh blood, and I was an old dog by now...), also lost access to a PC (was using Job's Laptop to access internet).

I was arranging some life stuff in the past days, please give me a little more time and I will get back to you, I'm not planning to stop this, by the contrary, I will have more time to spare in the near future!.

see you guys in a bit!

Yes, it is difficult to become essential... I hope you manage to regain balance in the near future.

Still working on the character sheet. I have some doubts here and there, but we'll wait until you're ready.

[AscarothD]

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LOL since we can choose other people's rolls.
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[Shiro_Nogard]

Try again


LOL since we can choose other people's rolls.

We can?

Think i missed it.