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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Pretty standard Mascot Horror stuff.
    When you think about it, that's such a weird (and oddly popular) genre. Is it all Five Nights at Freddie's fault or are people just generally living in fear of mascots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcathat View Post
    When you think about it, that's such a weird (and oddly popular) genre. Is it all Five Nights at Freddie's fault or are people just generally living in fear of mascots?
    FNAF codified it as its own genre, but examples predate FNAF.

    and it makes sense: On the one hand, mascot costumes, animatronics like you'd see at a Chuck E Cheese, and certain types of puppets can all be unsettling to a degree... And the idea fo subverted innocence, that something like a cartoon or a character meant to entertain children is or has been used for something malicious is terrifying all on its own.

    So it's very much the same logic that sparks the fear of clowns, or those low-budget horror movies about killer Snow Men or murderous Mall Santas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcathat View Post
    When you think about it, that's such a weird (and oddly popular) genre. Is it all Five Nights at Freddie's fault or are people just generally living in fear of mascots?
    I'd say people have long had a tongue-in-cheek fear of mascots, similarly to clowns. I can think of a few examples and pseudo-examples in horror before FNaF; the Chucky movies technically count IMO.

    But FNaF definitely opened the floodgates for trend chasers. I don't think it would be a common horror game genre without FNaF popularizing the concept. Most mascot horror titles feel like really cynical cash-ins TBH.

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    Pop culture Trivia: In the IDW comics continuity for Transformers, cybertronians are "male" by default and only developed a concept of "female" when interacting with organic species which lead to some of them thinking over the concept and coming to the conclusion that "male" didn't feel right for them.

    Essentially, in that continuity, all female presenting Transformers are trans fem.
    I think you've omitted an implicit but important initial step. Presumably they didn't develop a concept of "male" either until making concept with organic life

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    Also, minor nitpick, and this might not apply to the specific continuity you're talking about, but not all Transformers are ipso facto cybertronian. The Bot-Bots and (arguably) Suri Sumdac being counterexamples
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    I think you've omitted an implicit but important initial step. Presumably they didn't develop a concept of "male" either until making concept with organic life
    I am presenting the facts as they were presented to me.

    Admittedly, "did not have a concept of gender until met species with differing gender roles" would make more sense, but "sexless species defaults to one gender" isn't exactly a rare trope.
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    Also, minor nitpick, and this might not apply to the specific continuity you're talking about, but not all Transformers are ipso facto cybertronian. The Bot-Bots and (arguably) Suri Sumdac being counterexamples
    Sari is referred to repeatedly as being cybrtronian in origin and, had the show not been canceled, an arc of her going to Cybertron to learn her "native culture" would have occured. What's arguable is how she got to Earth and how she was able to assume a human alt-mode.

    However it does raise the point that the IDW continuity's rules for how this work isn't universal: Sari was "born" female despite scanning a male human to form her alt-mode suggesting that the protoform was female by default, which in turn suggests that in that continuity cybertronians do have discreet "sexes," for lack of a better term, that roughly correlates with gender.

    If Transmutate is anything to go by, meanwhile, the G1 continuity in the Beast Wars era seems to default to a gender-neutral "it" and use of gendered pronouns and gender-presenting forms is a matter of preference: Transmutate is referred to exclusively as "it" because the other characters can't tell and it is not capable of answering.

    (Beast Wars Uprising, a sort of alternate continuity of the show, depicts Transmutate as female but 1: That started life as a fan comic so I'm not sure how canonical it is and 2: I kind of have issues with that depiction of her and, given that that continuity radically different origins for the Maximals and Predacons, I'm legitimately unsure whether or not she can be considered the same character..)

    ...Finally, an Ask Vector Prime entry suggests that techno-organics regardless of continuity are capable of sexual reproduction, so... Make of that what you will.
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    Isn't that the same continuity that removed Doctor X's cool robot hand and mohican?

    I'll chalk this up to "the writers weren't thinking that deeply about sex and gender'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    I think you've omitted an implicit but important initial step. Presumably they didn't develop a concept of "male" either until making concept with organic life

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    Also, minor nitpick, and this might not apply to the specific continuity you're talking about, but not all Transformers are ipso facto cybertronian. The Bot-Bots and (arguably) Suri Sumdac being counterexamples
    Within the IDW continuity the Transformers as a race where built along the lines of a "band of brothers" mentality by their creators. They're all dudes and they all link arms and protect each other as they do their construction work and fighting and... well. Brotherly, manly unity... in every way. This is what my point about the homonormative culture stems from, actually. It is only once they've met other species, found that they are NOT a uniform sex, and started experimenting with their own presentation, that in this continuity trans formers start to exist.

    Sari and those bot-bots are from a different continuity that don't follow these rules. It's a directly bespoke point in Transformers that other realities exist so we can't actually paint any general scope on the canon beyond the most basic ass premise stuff like "they sure do be robots".

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    I now want a comic where Optimus Prime admits he's been a closeted lesbian all along.

    ...oh screw it, I want every major comics character to reveal that.
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    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    How about a Jovian Uplift stuck in a Case morph? it makes so little sense.

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    Happy Juneteenth, everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Essentially, in that continuity, all female presenting Transformers are trans fem.
    Wow. I didn't expect Transformers to be a bastion of transfem representation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    So, my birthday is in two days, on the 19th, so to celebrate I'd thought I'd do something special: try out being a streamer at least once to see if I like doing it, specifically for Elden Ring preparing for the DLC, and I'd though I'd go around letting people know in the communities and friend groups I have about this stream, which I plan to stream on raziere23 on Twitch at June 19th, 12 PM Pacific Time. If you can make it, I'd appreciate you coming, and if you can't, thats fine and I understand that you probably have your reasons. Just letting you know in advance, and if all goes well I'll do more streams exploring Shadow of the Erdtree.
    Happy birthday! Hope the stream is going well. I've never gotten into the streaming/streamwatcher subculture, but I hope you're having lots of fun.

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    Happy Juneteenth, everyone.
    I prefer "Jubilee Day".
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    I prefer "Jubilee Day".
    This is the first time I've heard the name and I now also prefer it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I prefer "Jubilee Day".
    I feel like part of the point of the holiday is that your and my opinions don't matter on the name lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    I now want a comic where Optimus Prime admits he's been a closeted lesbian all along.

    ...oh screw it, I want every major comics character to reveal that.
    While that would be fun, it's important to note that a big recurring plot occurrence is that Optimus and Megatron definitely wanna bone down to some degree. Depends on the canon of course.

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    Happy Juneteenth, everyone.


    Wow. I didn't expect Transformers to be a bastion of transfem representation.


    Happy birthday! Hope the stream is going well. I've never gotten into the streaming/streamwatcher subculture, but I hope you're having lots of fun.
    Happy Juneteenth!

    Yeah! Especially weird in that the first female transformer, Arcee, was introduced with the plotline of "an evil scientist knocked her out and modified her to be female". Later stories reclaimed this and it is rad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I prefer "Jubilee Day".
    *slightly louder* Happy Juneteenth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Yeah! Especially weird in that the first female transformer, Arcee, was introduced with the plotline of "an evil scientist knocked her out and modified her to be female".
    Wow um, okay. That's definitely a thing.
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    I prefer "Jubilee Day".
    Me as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    While that would be fun, it's important to note that a big recurring plot occurrence is that Optimus and Megatron definitely wanna bone down to some degree. Depends on the canon of course.
    A lot of human media has to deal with the fact that a majority (although not all) of the human race wants to run their private parts on another person's private parts. These feelings show up everywhere because the likelihood is that any particular creative wants to do it at some point while making the work.

    I also consider the entirety of humanity's progress to be driven by a game of one-upmanship in regards to kinky sex.

    The end result is that Star Trek got a lot less gay as more women joined the main cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiLiu View Post
    Happy birthday! Hope the stream is going well. I've never gotten into the streaming/streamwatcher subculture, but I hope you're having lots of fun.
    I had fun with it, the fights went surprisingly well, I got everything I wanted done and more and I had fun commenting on things. think I'll do the same for the DLC, though looking back at the recording I'll have to adjust the audio, I think both my voice and the game are too quiet, as well as other things I'd have to work out. if nothing else streaming be a way to give more structure and schedule to my gaming. like I was stressed out about it all morning before it started trying to get every detail I can right but then when it got going I just kinda relaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Wow um, okay. That's definitely a thing.
    The original Marvel and UK Transformers Comics are A ****ing Lot, yeah!

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    A lot of human media has to deal with the fact that a majority (although not all) of the human race wants to run their private parts on another person's private parts. These feelings show up everywhere because the likelihood is that any particular creative wants to do it at some point while making the work.

    I also consider the entirety of humanity's progress to be driven by a game of one-upmanship in regards to kinky sex.

    The end result is that Star Trek got a lot less gay as more women joined the main cast.
    Entirely fair. And I can't really deny this, Star Trek TOS was REALLY gay. Like I watched a few clips and I'm like... wow. I get it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    I had fun with it, the fights went surprisingly well, I got everything I wanted done and more and I had fun commenting on things. think I'll do the same for the DLC, though looking back at the recording I'll have to adjust the audio, I think both my voice and the game are too quiet, as well as other things I'd have to work out. if nothing else streaming be a way to give more structure and schedule to my gaming. like I was stressed out about it all morning before it started trying to get every detail I can right but then when it got going I just kinda relaxed.
    You should personally DM me your link so I can follow you because I'd intended to watch this but a million other things made me forget when this was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    You should personally DM me your link so I can follow you because I'd intended to watch this but a million other things made me forget when this was.
    Its okay, you were kind to me when I missed your streams so it'd be hypocritical and ungrateful of me to not do so return- you had other things on your mind and its not as if your obligated to watch me, so don't beat yourself up about it. Besides I'm more focused on figuring out what to do about Shadow of the Erdtree, if I'll do more streams for that and if I do, how to improve. at least with those the planning stages will be easier because I'll just be able to explore without know whats going to happen.

    Besides! its not the only thing that happened on my birthday, I got gifts! volume 1 of a version of Journey to the West, a book an Ukiyo-E artbook, and a ukiyo-e like tapestry to hang in my room. art to appreciate always makes a day good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I prefer "Jubilee Day."
    I've never heard that name as an alternative for Juneteenth, so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Two out of three references about "Jubilee Day" were incorrect, but the third link mentions:

    June 19 became Afro-Texans' new "Emancipation Day" or "Jubilee Day."

    So I guess it was a Texas thing first. Pretty neat. I wonder when the name shifted over.

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    I feel like part of the point of the holiday is that your and my opinions don't matter on the name lol.
    This is funny.

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    Happy Juneteenth!

    Yeah! Especially weird in that the first female transformer, Arcee, was introduced with the plotline of "an evil scientist knocked her out and modified her to be female". Later stories reclaimed this and it is rad.
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    Wow um, okay. That's definitely a thing.
    Glad later stories modified the original plotline.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    I had fun with it, the fights went surprisingly well, I got everything I wanted done and more and I had fun commenting on things. think I'll do the same for the DLC, though looking back at the recording I'll have to adjust the audio, I think both my voice and the game are too quiet, as well as other things I'd have to work out. if nothing else streaming be a way to give more structure and schedule to my gaming. like I was stressed out about it all morning before it started trying to get every detail I can right but then when it got going I just kinda relaxed.
    Cool! I'm glad it seems like the right sort of thing for you. It would probably stress me out to have so many people watch me be bad at games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynjin View Post
    I feel like part of the point of the holiday is that your and my opinions don't matter on the name lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    *slightly louder* Happy Juneteenth!
    Y'all are aware that "Jubilee Day" as a name predates "Juneteenth" and was coined by the same community, yes? It may be a less popular name for it currently but it's a historical KY accurate name and conveys the importance of the day - ie, a major milestone - much better, IMO. And it's not as if holidays can't have multiple names (eg Independence Day is also very commonly referred to as simply "July Fourth").

    ETA: Also, if you think part of they point of the holiday is some people's opinions don't matter, then i think there is some fundamental misinterpretation of the point of the holiday.
    Quote Originally Posted by TaiLiu View Post
    So I guess it was a Texas thing first. Pretty neat. I wonder when the name shifted over.
    Texas is also the origin of the holiday to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Texas is also the origin of the holiday to start with.
    Oh, that I knew. I was just trying to trace the origin of the holiday's names and their histories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiLiu View Post
    Cool! I'm glad it seems like the right sort of thing for you. It would probably stress me out to have so many people watch me be bad at games.
    From what I can tell from watching challenge runners and speedrunners, the truly top-tier gamers of the world aren't people who are so skilled they get it the first time, they're the people who are willing to be bad enough times, to fail as many times as it takes to get even a single victory, because I guarantee you those gamers have died more times in a single challenge run than you have playing anything normally. like their true power isn't the skills they have, thats just the side effect or result, their true power is their sheer willingness to keep at it long past anyone else would consider doing it reasonable. any perfect run of some hard challenge you see in a youtube video, I guarantee you is built on the corpses of hundreds of failed runs. this relates to saying I've heard "anything worth doing well, is worth doing poorly" as you can't everything on the first try and must learn and learn over and over again.

    so to me, I don't consider myself at that stressful place, because I don't do those kinds of challenge runs and have just started out, so its not as bad as say a guy who takes 500-something tries to beat Pokemon Emerald Kaizo Nuzlocke, who has an audience of thousands or so, seeing those failures happening over and over again, over months just to get to one run that beats the game, and they seem to be able to stand it and do those challenges over and over again. Its all relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Y'all are aware that "Jubilee Day" as a name predates "Juneteenth" and was coined by the same community, yes? It may be a less popular name for it currently but it's a historical KY accurate name and conveys the importance of the day - ie, a major milestone - much better, IMO. And it's not as if holidays can't have multiple names (eg Independence Day is also very commonly referred to as simply "July Fourth").

    ETA: Also, if you think part of they point of the holiday is some people's opinions don't matter, then i think there is some fundamental misinterpretation of the point of the holiday.

    Texas is also the origin of the holiday to start with.
    I'm well aware, don't worry. I was just under the impression that Juneteenth was the more proper and accepted name for it, for reasons I cannot say outloud.

    I don't think that myself, though I know you're not referring to me with that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I'm well aware, don't worry. I was just under the impression that Juneteenth was the more proper and accepted name for it, for reasons I cannot say outloud.
    It is the official name. I wouldn't say "more proper". And despite quite a bit of searching over time, I've never seen any actual reason for the change to Juneteenth, so I'm not sure where you discovered a reason (and I understand the inability to say!regardless(.
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    I must admit I wasn't familiar with the holiday under either name. On one hand, I can explain it by not being American, but on the other hand pop culture has made me fairly familiar with other American holidays like Thanksgiving, 4th of July, etc, so (unless I haven't been paying attention, always a possibility) I'm guessing it hasn't had as much focus in pop culture, which seems like a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcathat View Post
    I must admit I wasn't familiar with the holiday under either name. On one hand, I can explain it by not being American, but on the other hand pop culture has made me fairly familiar with other American holidays like Thanksgiving, 4th of July, etc, so (unless I haven't been paying attention, always a possibility) I'm guessing it hasn't had as much focus in pop culture, which seems like a shame.
    It's the newest federal holiday, only federally recognized a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    Wot? I don't think we have that, whatever it is. Or maybe it's just me that doesn't know?
    American federal holiday celebrating when the last slaves in the states that attempted to secede from the union were freed.
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