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    HalflingRangerGuy

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    I am playing a bard, with ranks in both dance and song. For flavor, I say that I have anklets, bracelets and a belt of chimes and bells that I use to make my bardic music.

    I was grappled and pinned by a ranger sub-boss, and I wanted to use my doomspeak on it to improve my chances of breaking free. My DM says that I needed to make a DC 20 concentration check. But then I had no ranks in concentration because I had Melodic Casting. T_T

    Since Melodic Casting only covers spells and spell like abilities, I was screwed.

    Is there a ruling on using supernatural and extraordinary abilities in a grapple?
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    That's a case of DM rule 0 kicking you in the teeth. Sorry.
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    Well, sounds like your DM is going by the rules here. Melodic casting, quite sensibly when you think about the name, only applies to spellcasting. I don't think you have any recourse in the rulebooks here. I recommend bribery.
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    Default Re: Perform vs Concentration

    Doomspeak is a supernatural effect. Therefore, it never requires a Concentration check to use, even while being Grappled. (It also doesn't provoke an AoO, it cannot be dispelled, and its not subject to spell resistance). You only need to make a Concentration check while being Grappled if you're casting a spell, and then the Concentration DC is 20 + spell level.

    Therefore, your DM was clearly just using a house rule. I think its a bit unfair, especially against a Bard.

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