Claws of the Beast (XPH) and other natural attacks?

[SadisticFishing]

Hi, simple question, I keep seeing builds that use Claws of the Beast and other natural attacks to attack a lot each round, but the Claws clearly says:

"If you attack with a manufactured weapon or another natural attack, you can’t make any claw attacks in that round. You can still hold and manipulate items with your claws or cast spells just as well as you could with your hands."

Are they reading it wrong? Or am I?

Thanks!

[Azerian Kelimon]

That's the whole point. King of smack builds use a lot of NATURAL attacks to fight, not weapon attacks.

[SadisticFishing]

"If you attack with a manufactured weapon or another natural attack"

Still confused >_<

[Azerian Kelimon]

Anything in the rules against clawing first and attacking with other naturals later?

[SadisticFishing]

The way it's worded is ambiguous, but that's a rather cheesy way to read it.

[Icewalker]

That sounds like an RAW as opposed to RAI loophole

[Azerian Kelimon]

That was optimizer thinking. And in any case, didn't King of Smack builds look for a way to get NATURAL claw attacks without powers and upgrade them with buffs?

[Lemur]

Note that if we're talking about the King of Smack, the build doesn't really focus on getting lots of natural attacks beyond what the Rapidstrike feats provide, but instead focuses on boosting the amount of damage dice the claw provides. The build has no real use for other kinds of natural attacks.

I have to admit I don't think I've seen any builds that use claws of the beast and lots of other natural attacks, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. I have seen an Incarnum-based natural attacker by Fax Celestis, but the natural attacks gained through that are claw attacks, and wouldn't interfere with claws of the beast, as they're all the same sort of natural attack.

[SadisticFishing]

I believe the one post I actually saw on it was just misinformed, and the rest were me misreading.

Sorry

[Fax Celestis]

I have to admit I don't think I've seen any builds that use claws of the beast and lots of other natural attacks, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. I have seen an Incarnum-based natural attacker by Fax Celestis, but the natural attacks gained through that are claw attacks, and wouldn't interfere with claws of the beast, as they're all the same sort of natural attack.

That'd be the Pauper of Smack.