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    I was at Barnes and Noble today and I opened up a copy of Wizards presents: Races and Classes. I read through it and it all sounded pretty good. And then I remembered that stupid movie on the website about gnomes becoming monsters. So I found the part about why Gnomes are gonna be monsters, and it turned out that they did it because players 'didn't like the technological element they brought to the game.'
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    So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'

    What?

    Gnomes were a hugely important race in my world. And they had just unveiled plans too build airships. Huge plot twist, considering that there were only two in the whole world before that moment. All that importance.

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    while i realize their are already many other threads on the topic, i must agree. My theory is that in WOW gnomes are a comedy relief and as WOW players are one of 4E target audiences, its focus upon everything being "cool" needs to cut gnomes out. They aren't big enough to hang out with the cool kids sadly
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    The real answer is they just can't get a particular use for gnomes out of their heads.
    But rather than making them taller or putting their mouths on their stomachs, they moved them out of thje spotlight.
    Since when are gnomes always techno-geeks, anyways? Since WoW geeks moved to DnD, that's when.

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    I thought it was back in 1st ed when Dragonlance came out. Tinker gnomes had so much more personality (for whatever reason) than "regular" gnomes. Then they moved that ingenuity to other campaign settings (the Realms, for example), and it just stuck. Makes sense, after a fashon; their mortal enemies, the kobolds, are master trapsmiths, so it helps to have the average gnome be technically minded.

    Nobody I've played with ever played a gnome seriously, and usually dropped him after a short time. I won't miss them, and if I really want to play one, I'll bet I can backwards engineer one from MM 4.0.
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    So, which homophobic jerk in your life got onto your GitP account?


    On topic, yeah, I was pretty disappointed by that no-gnome decree. I'm probably just going to stick with 3.5 though, and just look through 4 to see if I like it/would incorporate aspects of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequinox View Post
    So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'

    What?
    From my brief times on the wizards forums, I got the impression that a lot of people tend to like the big physical bonuses at early levels, and how awesome it made their warblades.

    I never heard anybody mention technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felius View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequinox View Post
    So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'

    What?
    Could they just possibly bring different technological aspects to the game? "Gnomes as wacky tinkerers" = lame. Meanwhile, Warforged are interesting and great for exploring all sorts of identity issues (Identity Issues is basically the Eberron Race Theme).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Lorelei View Post
    Could they just possibly bring different technological aspects to the game? "Gnomes as wacky tinkerers" = lame. Meanwhile, Warforged are interesting and great for exploring all sorts of identity issues (Identity Issues is basically the Eberron Race Theme).
    After Gnomes discovered the Theory of Relativity and it was asked if it could be made into a weapon. I'm too scared of gnomes and their "Cold dwomer fusion" to consider them "wacky."
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    meh, gnomes will be in the MM, and I can all but promise there will be rules for them as player characters.

    I think the idea is that gnomes are quite often used as comic relief (not always, but enough to be relevant) and wizards doesn't want to force comic relief into a game. Apparently they have no problems with angst though, the only race more angsty then tieflings or warforged are drow.
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    Hey don't put down the Tieflings! They can't help it. Their ancestors made a pact with the god of rock and roll...

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    More angsty then half-orcs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Hey don't put down the Tieflings! They can't help it. Their ancestors made a pact with the god of rock and roll...
    You are quite obviously mistaken. Those are Aasimar because, as everyone knows, God Gave Rock N' Roll to You.

    God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
    Put it in the soul of everyone
    Do you know what you want? you dont know for sure
    You dont feel right, you cant find a cure
    And youre gettin less than what youre lookin for

    You dont have money or a fancy car
    And youre tired of wishin on a falling star
    You gotta put your faith in a loud guitar

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    God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
    Gave rock and roll to everyone (oh yeah)
    God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
    Put it in the soul of everyone

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    If you wanna be a singer, or play guitar
    Man, you gotta sweat or you wont get far
    Cause its never too late to work nine-to-five

    You can take a stand, or you can compromise
    You can work real hard or just fantasize
    But you dont start livin till you realize - I gotta tell ya!

    God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
    Gave rock and roll to everyone
    God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
    Put it in the soul

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    God gave rock and roll to you (to everyone he gave the song to be sung)
    Gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to everyone

    God gave rock and roll to you (to everyone he gave the song to be sung)
    Gave rock and roll to you, saved rock and roll for everyone
    Saved rock and roll

    Chorus repeats out...

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    This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
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    Don't forget Warlocks, Binders, and Evil Favored Souls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Head View Post
    This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
    Didn't they dump support for Half Elves/Orcs? And, hm. I need to reread Eberron, sure, but weren't Warforged.. not outcasts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Head View Post
    This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
    yep that was me

    Oh as for Ansty emo people, um my folk, teenagers. We love angsy emo stuff, it helps us drown our pain of trying to come to terms with our massive insecurities and emotional/sexual/social frustrations. As we are easily distracted and have major crushes upon any "no body understands me" sort of characters and "trouble past" Drizzt clones anybody? We are also easily impressed by flashy power and techno mid evil worlds with video game aspects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Head View Post
    This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important.
    The world doesn't center around the PCs, the game does. Because they're playing. Interactions between NPCs obviously don't need to be resolved via mechanics that are as detailed as those involving PCs. You can just decide who wins the offscreen battle, you don't need to roll it out.

    And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
    What? Half-orcs are gone from the 4E PHB. Warforged aren't "angst social rejects", and neither are sorcerers. Tieflings are less angsty than they used to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    You are quite obviously mistaken. Those are Aasimar because, as everyone knows, God Gave Rock N' Roll to You.
    Well played.

    You are of course, correct. It turns out that Tieflings are the Devil's Hellion children.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Lorelei View Post
    The world doesn't center around the PCs, the game does. Because they're playing. Interactions between NPCs obviously don't need to be resolved via mechanics that are as detailed as those involving PCs. You can just decide who wins the offscreen battle, you don't need to roll it out.
    The story should revolve around the PCs, but the PCs shouldn't be innately better than the NPCs, that runs like a video game.
    What? Half-orcs are gone from the 4E PHB. Warforged aren't "angst social rejects", and neither are sorcerers. Tieflings are less angsty than they used to be.
    1. Yeah half orcs are gone it seems, but i'm not quite sure
    2. Warforge? Are you kidding me?
    "I am I machanical constroction, misunderstood and neglected by my masters. now without a purpose, i must walk this lonely road hoping to find accept and my place in life" Granted better handled than some but still
    3. Ummmm, you kidding me on the tieflings right? "They are a forsaken people"? Direct quote concerning them? Yeah. they are even discribed as
    "Bad boys of D&D" and wear leather for god's sake

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    Recheck your link, EE. It sends me to the Wikipedia definition of HTTP... that's after I fix it.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoYyN0exRw
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    Quote Originally Posted by horseboy View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoYyN0exRw
    Think I got it to work.

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    sorry for the above post it was a friend on(the risk of staying logged in)

    But I always liked the Idea of gnome inventors, and mad at them being cut from the players handbook
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    Yes, but you're no Half-Orc.
    One parent was a victim of rape, the other a horrible monster. Your existance would serve as a constant reminder of the remaining parents rape, and as such they'd despise you. Living on the streets, detested by all...

    And what do you get in return? Darkvision and +2 strength. Even Tieflings get cool things for being horrible freaks against nature.

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    Actually, I like the idea of gnomes as being crazy inventors. The odd thing, I think, is that their favored race is bard. It doesn't make sense that a bard would be a crazy inventor...unless he was inventing crazy musical instruments.

    Anyway, I'm playing a Chaotic Neutral gnome bard in a campaign right now. He's the party's face most of the time, and also seems to hold all the knowledge for the group. He also likes money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Head View Post
    And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
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