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2008-02-01, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hypothetical question
Suppose I created 3 spells. All three were exactly like slay living, except that they only function on creatures of a specific type, and were one level lower.
The first spell, Slay Giant, only functioned on Giants.
The second, Slay Undead, only functioned on Undead.
The third, Slay Outsider, only functioned on Outsiders.
Now, I need to target a Vampire Hill Giant with 20 levels of Monk. Which spells will work?
Only Slay Outsider, because of the Monk's Perfect self class ability?
Or Would Slay undead also work?
Since Undead also grants an Augmented type of the base creature, the vampire makes him Undead (Augmented Giant). Would Slay giant still work, based on that?
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2008-02-01, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothetical question
Perfect Self
At 20th level, a monk becomes a magical creature. She is forevermore treated as an outsider rather than as a humanoid (or whatever the monk’s creature type was) for the purpose of spells and magical effects...
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2008-02-01, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothetical question
Hmm...I'm not sure. We either have the case that he remains all three, or else one of his potential types "trumps" the other.
My personal view is that Outsider (Native) would trump both the Undead and Giant types; he's gone beyond both his birth form, beyond undead into a living manifestation of dark ki. However, I am free to admit that I have utterly no idea about what the RAW say on this subject.My Creations:
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2008-02-01, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothetical question
The type is undead. That's all you need to check for.
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2008-02-01, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothetical question
I would say, which did he become last? The monk ability says "She is forevermore treated as an outsider rather than as a humanoid (or whatever the monk’s creature type was)". So, assuming he was born a giant, monk supercedes that. But was he a vampire before or after he became an outsider? I believe - but honestly don't have any real idea - that Vampire says something along the lines of "the creature's type changes to Undead". If so, then it depends which came last.
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2008-02-01, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-02-01, 07:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, it still works, anyway - read the brackets in that quote.
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