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    Not that we will see them until the sidequest is over. I wonder if we'll start to see any others from episode 120?

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    I also thought that “Thog’s puppy” revealed a very disturbing side about Thog.

    Anyway, I’m looking forward to some recruitment scenes. The thing with recruiting EVIL adventures is that you have to make sure that they aren’t more backstabbing than you are. Or they might fool some good/neutral people and dump/kill them afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumGuy

    So I guess Thog was mistaken when he said he would make a "Good" puppy-daddy ;)
    On the contrary, he obviously *would* make a good puppy-daddy... The 'puppy' is still alive after all, which would be unlikely if it had been left to him to merely keep a blacksmith quiet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    I want people to be unsure if Thog is an innocent who is lead to evil by his buddy Nale, or if he is truly as black-hearted, just dumber.
    Well, he can't be bad since he likes puppies. Truly Evil characters always kick puppies.
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    Mm, but notice the red crosshatch on the poor guy's back - methinks Thog not so good puppy-daddy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian
    [edit] Nale seems to be making a strategic error. If Wooden Forest is as dangerous as he thinks, it's entirely possible that no adventuring group has managed to claim the starmetal. We'll just have to wait and see.
    Actually, I think what you're pointing out here is part of "The Evil Villian Syndrome" syndrome. The phrase "A quick death is too good for you! Bwah-ha-ha!" comes quickly to mind.

    So, the plan is to send the heroes to their doom. But instead they turn lemons into lemonade, get the star-metal, rescue the damsel in distress, save the world, and defeat the villians, while always leaving at least one of the bad guys at large for a sequel.

    On the other hand....

    There should have been a bad guy girl who falls in love with a good guy guy, realizes the error of her ways, and helps the good guys escape the clutches. Durkon's beau did the falling part (maybe not falling in love, but at least falling in lust.) But she neglected the rest of the formula. So, it might just be possible that this story is NOT a true evil villian scenario, but something completly different....

    Could it be...

    An original narrative that uses the devices but isn't a slave to them?

    Hmmmm..... I get uncomfortable when things aren't predictable. But it's a good discomfort.

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    What classes have yet to see:

    Maybe Nale finds a Warlock (they can be evil). That would a dangerous foe I think. I don't think you can counterspell their Fel blast?

    Let me see: Psionic characters maybe...

    Druid (evil Druid) would be a good way to show the evil's of nature.

    So i'm wondering if the Linear Guild will find members like the Order of new chars that are evil.

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    I don't think a psionicist could concentrate through one of Elan's songs. Especially the concentration song. shudder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck_II
    What classes have yet to see:

    Maybe Nale finds a Warlock (they can be evil). That would a dangerous foe I think. I don't think you can counterspell their Fel blast?

    Let me see: Psionic characters maybe...

    Druid (evil Druid) would be a good way to show the evil's of nature.

    So i'm wondering if the Linear Guild will find members like the Order of new chars that are evil.
    Remember that is not enough for them to be evil, they must be fun, too.

    It could be an occasion to introduce some of the new basic classes from the Complete... books and relative reactions

    "You are a Spellthief? What the heck is a spellthief? I never heard of them, is it some kind of Prestige class?"

    "No, No!, it is a base class. There is always been a lot of us around, is just that we are....ehm, shy! Yes that is, we are very shy and usually we don't go out a lot." :D .
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    On the contrary, he obviously *would* make a good puppy-daddy... The 'puppy' is still alive after all, which would be unlikely if it had been left to him to merely keep a blacksmith quiet...
    What I meant was is that Thog is clearly of some Evil alignment at this point, and thus cannot be a Good aligned puppy daddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant

    Actually, I take this as a compliment, JD, because that was the effect I was going for. These are the villains of the strip, after all. They are all Evil, with a capital E.
    Sure, I can see that. But I think I may have buried my point a bit.

    Yes, it's a nice reminder that Thog is just a big, dumb monster, but it isn't *funny.* Obviously, it's your strip, and it doesn't have to be funny all the time; you can tell whatever story you like. But let's face it: You've gotten us all used to the last-panel punchline, and this time, the last panel was decidedly unfunny.

    If Thog's predilection for confusing people (dwarves, specifically?) for pets were mentioned earlier in the strip, I would have thought "Hey, Thog's not the basically-innocent-oaf-in-the-wrong-crowd I took him for; he's just as evil as the succubus." And there would still have been room for a laugh in the last panel.

    So, in short, I'm not disturbed by the imagery's *inclusion* in the strip, but by its appearance in the panel where we've gotten accustomed to seeing something funny.

    JD

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    Well, you're certainly entitled to be disappointed, but I would point out that OOTS has been "unfunny" in the last panel before, most notably when Nale ran Elan through with a longsword. Yes, it is a humor strip, but I am also telling a story with some dramatic elements. This strip was designed to underscore that the Linear Guild, while funny, is a real and scary threat to the OOTSers, not comedic buffoon villains. I'm sure some people got a dark chuckle out of the last panel anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    Well, you're certainly entitled to be disappointed, but I would point out that OOTS has been "unfunny" in the last panel before, most notably when Nale ran Elan through with a longsword. Yes, it is a humor strip, but I am also telling a story with some dramatic elements.
    Fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    Well, you're certainly entitled to be disappointed, but I would point out that OOTS has been "unfunny" in the last panel before, most notably when Nale ran Elan through with a longsword.
    Not to mention when Hilgya ran off into the dark. I almost cried at that last panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    Well, you're certainly entitled to be disappointed, but I would point out that OOTS has been "unfunny" in the last panel before, most notably when Nale ran Elan through with a longsword. Yes, it is a humor strip, but I am also telling a story with some dramatic elements. This strip was designed to underscore that the Linear Guild, while funny, is a real and scary threat to the OOTSers, not comedic buffoon villains. I'm sure some people got a dark chuckle out of the last panel anyway.

    Like me. (By the way, you really need a devil emoticon.)

    I wasn't really surprised or shocked by the last panel largely, I think, because I never bought into the idea that Thog was just an incredibly stupid innocent in bad company. Frankly, I think Thog is just too dumb to fully appreciate the horror he's been inflicting on that poor blacksmith, just as I don't think he even noticed the sylph, he just whacked anything that he came across that wasn't Roy. It doesn't excuse him, but like someone pointed out earlier, Thog has the mind of a child, but the kind of child that pulls wings of off flies and beats up other children on the playground.

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    Whether or not Thog is evil or just plain dumb is one of the questions like V's gender, IMHO. With the possible exception of Hilgya, every other member of the Linear Guild is evil to their absoulte core, yet Thog remains a matter of debate. We can see instances of him acting in ways that can be viewed as either evil or dumb, and thus a point of speculation.

    Also, could it be that Thog is evil because he's dumb? This is surely the case with Belkar, since when V buffed his wisdom, he became a pacifist, and then went right back to a 3 foot tall sadistic fiend once V dismissed the spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Watcher
    I don't think [Thog] even noticed the sylph, he just whacked anything that he came across that wasn't Roy.
    I suspect Nale planned a lot more carefully than that. He wanted all the sylphs dead, and the only one who survived was turned to stone temporarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish
    I suspect Nale planned a lot more carefully than that. He wanted all the sylphs dead, and the only one who survived was turned to stone temporarily.
    II don't doubt that Nale had exactly that in mind, but Thog seems to cut her down without even noticiing. His train of thought is undisturbed and there isn't anything in his face or posture to suggest that he's noticed anything unusual.

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    Despite the fact that Thog is apparently mostly barbarian, he doesn't seem to use rage much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight13
    Despite the fact that Thog is apparently mostly barbarian, he doesn't seem to use rage much.
    Yeah, even Roy, who is a pure figther, used it at least one time more than Thog. (" You...broke... my...SWORD!!!")
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    I just noticed the color of Roy's horse. A LG fighter on a white steed - that's so perfect! :D
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    Chalk me up as one of those people who roared with laughter at the Thog puppy panel. I fully agree with Stephen Leacock's assessment that laughter is often based on the sentiment, "Thank God that's not me."

    I've also found that laughing at my own pain has been very helpful any time I can manage it. It's not about being cruel so much as it is about recognizing that cruelty and pain are part of the human condition. We're not enjoying the suffering when we laugh, believe it or not. It's just that comedy like this keeps me (and probably others) from closing our eyes to what's out there without tuning it out as "statistics" or responding to it in a more rash manner.

    I believe the Giant did just fine with this strip, though I'm glad he got the response he did from you. I do not care for hurtful humour (says the admitted hypocrite, who sometimes overvalues cleverness), but uncomfortable humour is another matter.
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    This one is funny! And it's up like an hour early.

    I like the horse names. Whisper and Silver are good names for horses.
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    Midday snack is an even better one :p

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    this is cliche, but

    Hi Ho Silver! AWAY!

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    And there was me going to say "Hi, Ho, Midday Snack; Away
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    I wonder if one of those spears is small enough for Roy to wield (with both hands, of course).
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    Of course, Silver had a white mane and tail, not black. I know because I spent most of my free time this weekend watching old Lone Ranger episodes. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish
    I wonder if one of those spears is small enough for Roy to wield (with both hands, of course).
    Oh, right, Is Roy going on this quest weaponless? And what happened to the sword Elan offered him after Xykon's defeat? I don't remember seeing it with the other magical items.
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    I always forget that Horses can do spot checks lol

    I like Haley's horse. When Whisper needs to eat: its eating time!

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