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2008-02-13, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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A question concerning divine metamagic
I've heard (or got the impression) that Persistant DMM is horribly broken. However, I haven't heard of any solutions to deal with it apart from banning nightsticks or just plain banning it altogether. So I'm wondering if anyone here has any ideas on how to include Persistant DMM in a game without creating a monstrosity.
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2008-02-13, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
Give your cleric a cursed magic item that grants him +2 wisdom but also randomly casts Dispel Magic on him once every 1d4 hours.
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2008-02-13, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
Don't allow DMM turn attempts to come from items. That solves the problem, really. Since the issue is that with limitless Nightsticks, you can DMM Persist every single buff that you have as a Cleric (which is a LOT!) when you subtract your unlimited supply of Nightsticks, DMM becomes quite managable and a lot more reasonable.
The only way to cheat the system other than that is to pick a race with an insanely huge CHA and WIS bonus, like a nymph or a succubus and that has limiting factors (LA, RHD, etc) that make it not entirely the best solution already.Last edited by Tokiko Mima; 2008-02-13 at 04:25 PM.
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2008-02-13, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
Just say that the bonus from multiple nightsticks doesn't stack. With only 1 nightstick DMM will be pretty limited.
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2008-02-13, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
All those buffs can be dispelled, just as any other spells. My advice: ignore the FAQ's attempt to keep Maximize Spell from applying to dispel checks. A dispel check is a variable numeric result with this simple formula:
dispel level = d20 + caster level - 11
and there's no reason this can't be maximized (d20 becomes 20). So you don't need to ban Divine Metamagic or Persistent Spell; just make sure the Cleric knows that a 24-hour buff can be dispelled as easily as one that only lasts 1 round/level. If your Cleric gets a reputation for überness, all the enemies will know that they need to use something like Greater Dispel Magic, or Maximize Spell with Dispel Magic, to deal with this individual.
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2008-02-13, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
All those buffs can be dispelled, just as any other spells. My advice: ignore the FAQ's attempt to keep Maximize Spell from applying to dispel checks.
Another solution to DMM is to only allow it if the caster is high enough level to use the metamagic feat normally. So, when you get the ability to cast level 7 spells, you could use the normal Persist Spell feat (without DMM) to persist a 1st-level spell, and so you could also DMM persist that same spell at that level. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to also apply this limit to all the other ways to make metamagic easier, too, like rods or the Ultimate Magus ability.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2008-02-13, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question concerning divine metamagic
Why is it the best campaign ideas happen when you're sitting down to someone elses game?
Pun-Pun is an example of the worst case scenario. Never, ever, push your DM that far.