OOTS #540 - The Discussion Thread

[The Giant]

New comic is up.

[Nychta]

First time I've been on for an update!

Also, Celia is...uh.. freakishly responsible, and law-abiding.

[Kanthalion]

Yeah...I'm wondering if Celia is even a bit law abiding, stick-in-the-mud goody two-shoes for Roy.

[Ave]

First time I've been on for an update!

Also, Celia is...uh.. freakishly responsible, and law-abiding.

I always liked her, but she just talks nonsense. Haley is the only sane character in this strip :)

[Alex Warlorn]

Greeeeeeat. Looks like a "Now shut up" moment for here at OoTS.

I didn't think Celia would be quite like that.

I hope that the author isn't going to turn Celia into another Miko.
Then again, Miko would have killed Belkar where he stood. (Yeah she was nutso and none too rational, but at least she had solutions).

I say Dominate Person the SOB. Then order him to be nice and kind to the vunerable. His will save is so awful he won't be able to resist the commands.

[Dark Wolf]

Been done, the victim can't do anything he wouldn't usually do. So it only works on Belkar if you tell him to do something he would normally do.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0383.html

though I don't know, are Charm and Dominate the same?

[Krytha]

haha I'm really enjoying this party implosion.

[Drascin]

Been done, the victim can't do anything he wouldn't usually do. So it only works on Belkar if you tell him to do something he would normally do.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0383.html

though I don't know, are Charm and Dominate the same?

No, actually they aren't. Charm is a bit of a magical compulsion that makes people listen very much to what you got to say, but nothing else. Dominate is the one who turns people into puppets - they are forced to do everything you command then, and even if they're forced to do things that are utter anathema to them they simply get another TS and if they fail it they do it anyway. And I'm pretty certain we know how high Belkar's Will save must be...

[deworde]

Why don't they just repeatedly cast Owl's Wisdom on Belkar, taking it off only when they need to kill? Except that Rich's Rule applies (That if the characters do everything right, there's no story).
Oh, and for those saying "Celia wouldn't act like that", let's be clear. We've seen her once, and she was presenting a court case. It's not like /
Also, if you were going about your normal business and one of your friends' friends stabbed a guy right in front of you? I think you'd be a little preachy. That or shut up through fear.

[Frosty]

I wonder if Roy would like this anal side of her, even if he is lawful and agrees in principle with a lot of things she said.

[Phase]

I knew there was a reason I couldn't sleep tonight.

Ahh, fate...

[sun_tzu]

Guys, she just saw Belkar murder an innocent person with no provocation. Frankly, I'd think less of her if she hadn't reacted this way.

[Dark Wolf]

True. There was that Paladin recently. It'd be funny having Belkar go through a village being nice and saying Damn each time he was kind.

[factotum]

Hmmm. Apparently Belkar is quite okay being referred to as a horrid little bastard--guess he's got no illusions about what he is!

[RubberBandMan]

It seems to me that Celia is standing on the princibles of justice, being a lawyer and all. Haley is standing on Pragmitism, which is, 'make the most of what you can do', and Belkar... well, I think he's a wee bit evil.

Celia is trying to show it matters to do the right thing, even if its harder for you personally, hence the candy bar. Haley is trying to show her hands are tied, and Belkar... sees a senseless waste, which is kinda ironic.

[Alex Warlorn]

Been done, the victim can't do anything he wouldn't usually do. So it only works on Belkar if you tell him to do something he would normally do.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0383.html

though I don't know, are Charm and Dominate the same?

Nope. Dominate is stronger and goes by different rules.

[Rad]

OK, getting worried over fuzzy animals is probably a bit too much...
On the other hand, getting the chocolate bar back is not that much work when you have wings.

[Nychta]

OK, getting worried over fuzzy animals is probably a bit too much...
On the other hand, getting the chocolate bar back is not that much work when you have wings.

Yeah. The fact that she uses her wings to get chocolate doesn't concern me. What DOES concern me is her motivation. I mean, what kind of reason is "The cute fuzzy animals could get hurt otherwise"?

[Rethorn]

What if Mr. Scruffy eats the chocolate? THAT would be Karma.

[Tundar]

A horrid little bastard?
Haha, fitting discription :D

And I'm surpriced he didn't go all ballistic over haley taking away his chocolate.

[RosesOnConcrete]

Celia's showing signs of annoying-ness (I remember someone a few days ago calling her a Mary Sue), but Haley's great in this one. She's the realist now, huh?

[SPoD]

First time I've been on for an update!

Also, Celia is...uh.. freakishly responsible, and law-abiding.

Responsible, yes. Law-abiding...not freakishly so. She's worried about the lives of the animals, not about, say, littering laws. An overwhelming value placed on life is not a Lawful trait, it's a Good trait.

At any rate, I don't know why people keep saying, "Why don't they just cast Spell X?" How about because Celia is the only spellcaster, and she only has sorcerer levels equal to her Hit Dice (probably around 6)? There's no way she can cast Dominate Person, it's too high level. And she probably only knows about 10 spells, so the likelihood of having Owl's Wisdom is very low.

Yes, they may have more options once they get to a city, but right now, they can't get to a city any faster than they are traveling!

[SPoD]

(I remember someone a few days ago calling her a Mary Sue)

Celia is anything but a Mary Sue in this strip: She didn't get anything her way, and she was made to look foolish for her philosophical P.O.V.

[FujinAkari]

Clearly Celia is an evil doppleganger sent to infiltrate the party. After all, Celia is a spunky chick who thinks nothing of blasting helpless captives with lightning at only slight provocation!

I'm kidding about the doppleganger thing... but seriously... does Celia have a cruel side she's trying to hide?

[Niknokitueu]

Heh - Just last night I was saying just the same thing as today's comic.

(My Rich-Fu must be strong...)

Loved the comic, please sir, can we have some more?
(Sorry - lots of recent advertising for "I'll do anything" is starting to have an effect on me. Just hope I do not find a Nancy...)

Have Fun!
Niknokitueu
Edit: As a ps, "I'll do anything" is the most recent public search for a lead member for a west-end show. This time it is "Oliver!" (their emphasis, not mine), and they are letting the audience choose the role of "Nancy"...

[Turcano]

I don't know why, but that was just awesome.

Haley: Throwing away candy bars for great justice!

[pasko77]

I wonder if Roy would like this anal side of her, even if he is lawful and agrees in principle with a lot of things she said.

I'm sure that Roy LOVES her anal side...
sorry, i just couldn't resist.

[Courier]

Yikes. Poor Haley, stuck with those two!

[Iberiel]

Okay.. That made me laugh out loud.

The horrid little guy is being naughty - Take away his candy!
How logical.

[Yendor]

Bad Belkar! No chocolate!

Really, Haley hasn't got a lot of options available to her.