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Thread: atonement for my paladin
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2008-03-21, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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atonement for my paladin
is there anyway to add atonement to a paladin's spell list, or have it as a spell like ability?
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2008-03-21, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
You could pay for an enchanted item that can cast it.
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2008-03-21, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
Does he walk around, "You are forgiven..."? Or does he need it for himself? because if the atonement is for him I would look into the Grey Guard PrC.
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2008-03-21, 11:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
for me, i have decided to deal non lethal damage exclusively, save for constructs, undead and creatures immune to nonlethal.
My mother says: those on fire should roll.
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2008-03-21, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
You don't need an atonement spell to do that. You want the feat (from BoED, I think), that allows you to deal nonlethal damage without penalty.
That, or the Justicicar PrC from CW. The PrC that also gives you the ability to hog-tie enemies .
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2008-03-22, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
hohoho, no. i meant that after dealing nonlethal damage and tying them down, i want to be able to offer them atonement as well.
My mother says: those on fire should roll.
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2008-03-22, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
Hahaha! That's great. Were I DMing, I'd add atonement to your spell list for something like that.
As I can't think of anything else to help your cause, and if asking your DM about it doesn't work, you could convince your captive(s) personally, then bring them to a friendly cleric.
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2008-03-22, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
That doesn't actually require the spell, just a good diplomacy modifier. I'm AFB right now, but the BoED had actual rules, or you could just (gasp) roleplay it. Atonement(the spell and the act) only works if the target truly wants to be forgiven, and most won't.
Also, make sure to mention this to both the DM and the party beforehand, as this may mess up some of their plans.[/sarcasm]
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2008-03-22, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
True, but Atonement allows a semi-believable way to have instant conversions more often. ("It's magic!") Diplomacy is more likely to raise eyebrows unless you have totally absurd skill at it and can say "I'm just that good."
Alternatively: See if you can get your DM to let you buy or craft a Helm of Opposite Alignment that works more than once (but only once per person.) That would be fun. Or at higher-levels you could play with a caster who can cast Mindrape in your party.
...hey, it's like atonement. Your character will probably have to either be very ignorant of magic ("Hey, that mindrape thing is a good-aligned spell, right?" "Uh... yep!") or be a grey guard to get away with it, though.
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2008-03-22, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
I wouldn't mind roleplaying it, myself, but unless everyone else at the table is ready for an extended moral discussion every time you start talking with a subdued foe, using atonement or a Diplomacy check as an abstraction should work. Were I the DM, I certainly wouldn't mind adding atonement to your spell list for such a purpose. If your DM doesn't like that idea, then I'd try getting an item or something.
At higher levels, try programmed amnesia. I don't think it's evil, and it allows you to effectively completely restructure somebody's mind. Have fun.Last edited by PaladinBoy; 2008-03-22 at 06:59 PM.
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2008-03-22, 09:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
True (although remember, Programmed Amnesia is permanent and can be dispelled, whereas Mindrape is Instantaneous. Maybe your arcanist can use Mindrape and tell you it's Programmed Amnesia.)
So. That brings up an odd point. Um... why is Mindrape evil when using Programmed Amnesia to do virtually the same thing isn't? Programmed Amnesia can even give negative levels, which Mindrape can't.
Is it the name? It's the name, isn't it? Typical paladins! You're all fine when I use 'programmed amnesia' to straighten people out, but as soon as I start talking about "mindraping" them you're all waving your hands and objecting!Last edited by Aquillion; 2008-03-22 at 09:55 PM.
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2008-03-22, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
I think it's probably at least in part to do with what you said- Programmed Amnesia can be removed, Mindrape can't. There's also the behaviors of the spells themselves. Programmed Amnesia takes a relatively long time to work and, at least relative to Mindrape, gently changes the subject. Mindrape is more "Bam, your brain is now my ****!" Kind of like the difference between attacking somebody with a fireball and attacking somebody with Avasculate; one is a much nastier, painful (and more effective) experience.
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2008-03-23, 01:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: atonement for my paladin
Um... bear in mind that if you're casting real atonement on all these people, it's going to cost you 500 EXP each time. For an NPC, that might be worth it, but it's harder to shell out 500 exp for every villain as an adventuring PC.