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    Default Mark of Justice and Vow of Nonviolence

    Vow of Nonviolence states:

    . You may not deal real damage or ability damage to such foes through spells or weapons, though you may deal nonlethal damage. You may not target them with death effects, disintegrate, pain effects, or other spells that have the immediate potential to cause death, suffering, or great harm.
    My question is: does casting Mark of Justice on someone count as causing suffering or great harm? If it does, that kinda messes up one of the best ways Clerics and Paladins have of neutralising captured enemies through nonviolent means...
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    Default Re: Mark of Justice and Vow of Nonviolence

    Quote Originally Posted by MorkaisChosen View Post
    Vow of Nonviolence states:



    My question is: does casting Mark of Justice on someone count as causing suffering or great harm? If it does, that kinda messes up one of the best ways Clerics and Paladins have of neutralising captured enemies through nonviolent means...
    Mark of Justice just sticks a "bestow curse" on the subject. It inflicts none of those things.

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    Default Re: Mark of Justice and Vow of Nonviolence

    Quote Originally Posted by Talya View Post
    Mark of Justice just sticks a "bestow curse" on the subject. It inflicts none of those things.
    Even if it did, the "Immediate Potential" clause on the Vow clears you - as Mark of Justice does nothing if they follow orders.
    Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.

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    Default Re: Mark of Justice and Vow of Nonviolence

    Eeeexcellent...

    Thinking about it, it just puts a bit of enforcement on the "vow of being nice" you can make captured enemies take- the one that, if they break it, allows your allies to murder them without you losing the Vow.
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