Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Frosty's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Which humanoid form as flight?

    When using Alter Self, I remember there is a monster in the MM that has wings and also tons of natural armor. Does anyone remember what that monster is?

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Troll in the Playground
     
    RTGoodman's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Eastern NC
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    I'm not sure about both (and the SRD's monster search isn't coming up with anything), but I know that Lizardfolk or Troglodytes are the common forms to get a bunch of Natural Armor (+5 and +6, respectively). For flight, that's tougher, but I guess Avariel (those winged elves from some FR book) or Raptorans from RotW would work, though Raptoran wings aren't that great until higher HD.
    The Playgrounder Formerly Known as rtg0922

    Homebrew:
    "Themes of Ansalon" - A 4E Dragonlance Supplement
    Homebrew Compendium

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    Dr Bwaa's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    I didn't notice anything in a quick skim through the MM just now
    For people who enjoy reading or writing.

    Spoiler
    Show

    Awesome banner/avatar by El_Frenchie!

    Play chess? Look me up! (bwaa)


    Formerly known as lordhenry4000

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Frosty's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Hmm...then why did everyone say Alter Self is so great? Granted, +6 NA is nothing to sneeze at for a level 2 spell...

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Bag_of_Holding's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Australia

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Combined with Outsider type, you can use AS to shapeshift into Dwarf Ancestor (or something like that) to get +26 to natural armour. Interested?
    Keith Baker, on the age of Erandis d'Vol:
    Spoiler
    Show

    ... The miniature of her certainly makes her look older, but personally I like young Erandis both on the basis that the purge of the line started before she could grow into her full powers, and also because it lets her and Jaela have a vicious catfight sometime.

    Maybe I'm playing a wrong game.

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Troll in the Playground
     
    RTGoodman's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Eastern NC
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bag_of_Holding View Post
    Combined with Outsider type, you can use AS to shapeshift into Dwarf Ancestor (or something like that) to get +26 to natural armour. Interested?
    I just remembered that and came back to point it out. The problem with alter self is that you can turn into anything of your type. With the addition of new sourcebooks, you can turn into any 5HD or less Construct (as a Warforged), Monstrous Humanoid (if you're a Goliath), Outsider (as a plane-touched race), or anything else you can match. Hey, with RotW, you can even turn into Fey if you play a Killoren. Well, you're still limited by size, but I'm sure you can find good stuff that'll work.
    Last edited by RTGoodman; 2008-03-23 at 02:25 AM.
    The Playgrounder Formerly Known as rtg0922

    Homebrew:
    "Themes of Ansalon" - A 4E Dragonlance Supplement
    Homebrew Compendium

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Retired Mod in the Playground Retired Moderator
     
    kpenguin's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Northern California
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    If you're a warforged, try alter-selfing yourself into a adamantine statue with wheeled feet.

    60 ft. speed and DR 20/-!
    Visit the Chocolate Hammer IRC channel!
    (IRC Joining Guide Here!)

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Frosty's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Do you gain Warforged immunities while using Alter Self?

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Talya's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Icy Evil Canadia
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Hmm...then why did everyone say Alter Self is so great? Granted, +6 NA is nothing to sneeze at for a level 2 spell...
    Averiel work as someone mentioned. Also, Raptorans would work fine, as once you become one, it makes sense that it functions as a raptoran with YOUR hit dice, not the level 1 raptoran you immitated.
    Creator of the Vow of Nudity

    Spoiler
    Show

    We didn't cast the [Fire]...
    LGBTitP

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Frosty's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Better than Fly I guess. Lasts longer.
    Last edited by Frosty; 2008-03-23 at 02:33 AM.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Titan in the Playground
     
    The_Snark's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2006

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    It's great because you can use it to get good natural armor (and natural weapons) OR flight OR use it for a disguise OR get water breathing and a swim speed OR abuse it with alternate creature types.

    That is way, way too many options for a second-level spell, and some of them are too good even if that was all the spell did. +6 natural armor is more than a 2nd-level spell should be giving you; Barkskin has a maximum of +5, and only at higher levels. Similarly, Fly is higher level and yet only lasts one minute per level. And that's leaving out the things you can do if you're not a humanoid.

    Speaking of which, elans are abberations. Turning into, say, a grell will give you 11 natural attacks, flight with perfect maneuverability, and reach.
    Avatar by GryffonDurime. Thanks!

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Zincorium's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Oak Harbor, WA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    At level 5, a humanoid can shapeshift into a were-[dire]bat. 40ft (good) fly speed, +5 natural armor. The other lycanthropes are on your list too, but I'm not sure how good most of them would end up being, considering the large amounts of hit dice for anything good.

    It does get crazy once you get into forms other than humanoid, yeah.
    "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    Avatar by Meynolds!

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Bag_of_Holding's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Australia

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Do you gain Warforged immunities while using Alter Self?
    No, you can only AS into the same type of creature as you are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zincorium View Post
    At level 5, a humanoid can shapeshift into a were-[dire]bat. 40ft (good) fly speed, +5 natural armor. The other lycanthropes are on your list too, but I'm not sure how good most of them would end up being, considering the large amounts of hit dice for anything good.

    It does get crazy once you get into forms other than humanoid, yeah.
    Meh, that'd be too good. You can't take any forms with a template, unfortunately.
    Last edited by Bag_of_Holding; 2008-03-23 at 04:19 AM.
    Keith Baker, on the age of Erandis d'Vol:
    Spoiler
    Show

    ... The miniature of her certainly makes her look older, but personally I like young Erandis both on the basis that the purge of the line started before she could grow into her full powers, and also because it lets her and Jaela have a vicious catfight sometime.

    Maybe I'm playing a wrong game.

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Zincorium's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Oak Harbor, WA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Ach, you're right, didn't remember that caveat. Seemed too strange to be allowed, and now I know why.
    "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    Avatar by Meynolds!

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Retired Mod in the Playground Retired Moderator
     
    kpenguin's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Northern California
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Which humanoid form as flight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bag_of_Holding View Post
    No, you can only AS into the same type of creature as you are.
    Unless, of course, you're a construct. Of course, then you'd be ASing into a form with far fewer immunities.
    Visit the Chocolate Hammer IRC channel!
    (IRC Joining Guide Here!)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •