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2008-03-29, 07:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Five man band
The Giant knows his tropes. The OoTS is a five man band.
The Hero
The Lancer
The Big Guy
The Smart Guy
The Chick
The Sixth Ranger
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2008-03-29, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Chick - (tambourine, vocal effects) - usually the band's "heart" or moral center and usually the most innocent and/or emotional of the group.
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2008-03-29, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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"The right-hand man and go-to guy for The Hero. He has the same well-rounded skill set as his counterpart," - er, I don't think so.
"The Big Guy will often be the band's "tank"; a Mighty Glacier who serves as the strongest physical fighter, but also the slowest and least proficient at magic." - doesn't look so fitting either.
"Traditionally the token female, and usually the most emotional or innocent member of the group" - Hah! Most innocent, our dear thief?
"Then, mid-season, a mysterious new character appears, fighting the protagonists and antagonists alike! " Yeah, that's not Belkar either.
So, er, no. The Giant certainly knows his tropes, but these aren't them.Last edited by Kurald Galain; 2008-03-29 at 08:21 AM.
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2008-03-29, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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WHY ISN'T HE JOLLY???
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2008-03-29, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well Belkar doesn't count, he's the sixt ranger.
...He's a ranger at least.
I have quite a few good replies to that. I can't deside, so here are a few:
1: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/usual
2: Well I think she is.
3: Well she is a chick.
4: Come on, next you will claim that Belkar won't be revealed to be a good character. :p
Bah, you're just fishing the worst parts. :)
Good point.
Originally Posted by TVtropesLast edited by Tass; 2008-03-29 at 08:39 AM.
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2008-03-29, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-03-29, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with Tass that the OotS might be a five-men band, but the roles are certainly different.
Roy clearly is the Leader. Here, there's no questioning.
Haley is not the Chick, Elan is. Even though he's male, he clearly acts as the Charisma holder of the group, is some kind of an emotional support (though a very bothering one, at times). He's also closer to a royal than any other (he served some great guy, and is the son of an Evil overlord.)
Now then, Haley. She is the Lancer. She is a girl and it would be too easy to let her be the Chick. But she isn't. She has a lot more character than Elan. She has been more useful, and on a lot of occasions, where Roy failed, she was there to make him right. (Red strikes true, Lord Shojo, the Con Game)
Now, is there a love triangle between these? No, but Elan seems to admire Roy a lot, which somewhat implies a love problem for Haley. But still, she ultimately got the Chick (if only because she's the girl).
Now, who's the Tough guy and who's the Smart guy? It was all to easy to fall into V's intelligence's trap. V's brilliant in learning, but V doesn't have much common sense. So, my guess would be that Vaarsuvius is the Tough guy (as counterintuitive as it may seem). Look at how V manages to be overkilling with the Elementals and the huge army. And V is proficient in strenght, yet through deep magic.
So Durkon is the Smart guy. It doesn't show up because of V's pure knowledge, but he does show a lot of common sense. His use of the Control Weather scroll was brilliant. And look at how he scolds Julia and how proactive he is in the situation. Masterful.
Finally, Belkar is the wild sixth element. He doesn't fight against them, be he clearly is an opponent to deal with. Look at how Roy defends him not for being good, but for having been loyal despite all the possibilities he got to just backstab all of his team. Because he still could do it, at any time.
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2008-03-29, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm, interesting idea, Tass, but I've gotta go with Yiuel's line of reasoning on who best fits which "type".
Of course, none of them are perfect fits, but it does make for a fun bit of conjecture.
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2008-03-29, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with most Yiuel says. Elan taking a lot of the chicks roles makes sense. There haven't been true love triangles, but Haley has often been jealous of various chicks elan has made out with.
I'm not sure about switching Durkon and V though. The smart guy does not always have common sense.
Originally Posted by TVTropes
(On a side not, in the cast page Elan is more clearly a Lancer and Haley the chick, but there Roy is not the hero...)Last edited by Tass; 2008-03-29 at 09:44 AM.
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2008-03-29, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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I did have a lot of problems with V and Durkon. They do exchange places a lot during the strip.
However, we can't say much about Durkon's masculinity. Not that V is anything masculine, but at least, V is married. Durkon first had sex in the strip (while all others had before).
The Smart one is usually a Deus ex machina when all other solutions have failed. Durkon, not V, will be the True Resurrection caster. Durkon, out of nowhere, was able to kick the Gnome's ass, V failing powerlessly.
Also, The Strong, as I feel it, ia always a strength seeker. V's question to the kobold is clear : V has been very strightforward. Also, V's androgynity is actually a feature here. It makes V even less a stereotype of the Strong.
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2008-03-29, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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That actually makes a lot of sense.
I think you have a point. But when you say "huge army" do you mean "army that is huge" or do you mean "army that may be small, but is composed of individually huge units?"
Yeah. I'd say that they both alternate between "big guy/smart guy" roles through the strip.
However, we can't say much about Durkon's masculinity. Not that V is anything masculine, but at least, V is married. Durkon first had sex in the strip (while all others had before).
The Smart one is usually a Deus ex machina when all other solutions have failed. Durkon, not V, will be the True Resurrection caster. Durkon, out of nowhere, was able to kick the Gnome's ass, V failing powerlessly.
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2008-03-29, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Once upon a time, TV Tropes itself claimed:
: The Hero
: The Lancer
: The Big Guy
: The Smart Guy
: The Chick
: The Sixth Ranger
I would vouch for Belkar as the Big Guy, believe it or not, and discard his homicidal tendencies for filling out the group. I would discard Durkon to the Sixth Ranger as he's by far the least fleshed out of the group. Alternately, make Elan the "tagalong kid", Haley the Chick, and Belkar or Durkon the Lancer, at least for the early strips.
Don't read too much in the cast page... Rich is just subverting the fact that normally you'd expect Haley to be the Chick and Roy the Big Guy if you were going stereotypically - characterizations both of them object to.Avatar courtesy azuyomi244.
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2008-03-29, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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The relationships are more or less accidental. We have a large number of elements that can be more or less randomly attached to any of the heros and the result will be a "5 man band" [which does not always number 5].
We might note we are told Roy was originally going to be the mage of the group. This degree of rewriting should tell us the gang was not modeled on any particular source.
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2008-03-29, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd say that Belkar is the Toblerone of the group (IE the Korgan).
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