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2008-03-30, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tardis
So, in the combined interests of convenience and style, my artificer has decided to make a TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space) to use as his main base.
I'm suspecting a modified bag of holding with a few of those jars of air would do it, but one of those Endless Larders and Everful basins from the stronghold book would be useful as well. If I'm right, I can also enchant the "Police Box of Holding" to fly and teleport, although it'll cost a bundle. Also, is 250 cubic feet REALLY enough for a viable living space for 5 people?
Now I just need a way to keep atmosphere in, make sure its indestructible (walls of force?) and a way for it to translate things for me. Any ideas?
Oh, I'm 8th level by the way. I don't really need to time travel either.Last edited by shadow_archmagi; 2008-03-30 at 06:00 PM.
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Just make it a door with a portal in it that you can move around remotely, at the other end you can have a nice mansion or what have you and it has the added benefit of being safe to send into places where you don't know as it's safe since you aren't in it.
That or just make a single room hut from the stronghold builders guide, throw on every transport and teleport function and whack a Magnificant mansion on an internal wall.Give them bread and circusses and the plebs wont rise against you. Give adventurers dungeons and trapped chests and they won't waste time looking to ransack your home and kill your wife.
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2008-03-30, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Portable Hole. Bottle of Air. Portable Hole #2 at back of #1. Also, since you're an Artificer, set up the Portable Hole #1 on a frame that can be opened/closed with the push of a button and takes up little space. Just because you can.
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I don't think it can be done with eighth level WBL, even that of an artificer. In addition to what you mentioned, you also need some kind of suggestion to keep people from looking at it or thinking too hard. Constant effects get expensive fast.
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2008-03-30, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't forget the Stronghold Builder's Guide permanent Rope Trick to expand your space to conserve cash although the pricier Magnificent Mansion will have more spaces.
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2008-03-30, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I forgot to mention... I took the -25% of the cost feat three times. My DM only has the original book, and it clearly states you're allowed to make it multiple times.
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That's what erratas are for.
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Firstly, TARDIS is always in all caps.
Secondly, 250 cubic feet is not enough to be a very fun living space. Viable, maybe, fun, no. The generic manifestation of 250 cubic feet would be a cubic room about 6.3 ft. on a side. I'm almost 6.3 ft. tall. That's a tiny space. There are other ways to do it—a room 5x5x10 would work, also. Any way you slice it, you're not going to have much room at all. If this is your base of operations, you'll barely have room for a bed, much less an artificers workshop.
The portable hole idea suggested earlier is a good one. The Stronghold Builder's Guidebook can be of help here, if you by some small fortified room, enchant it with a glamer and one of the several mobility abilities from the SBG, and set a portal to some extradimensional space (be it a portable hole or two, a Rope Trick, a Magnificient Manshion, or whatever) in the doorway. Activate the portal and you can go into the workshop. Deactivate it and you're standing in a sparsely furnished 5x5 room.Good grammar is hot.
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2008-03-30, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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A continuous item of MMM is 91,000 GP. Activate it in a Portable Hole or Bag of Holding. It lasts forever and will be more than enough space. It's a bit outside of your WBL, but there you go. Start saving.
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Hmm. Away from book, so let's see what the SRD can do.
Permanent MMM indoors.
Intelligent Item, max intelligence and wisdom. That gives us most languages right there, as well as scanners. Give it Detect magic, decipher script, and Knowledge (What you think fits best). For greater, Arcane Eye, Detect Scrying, and Status. Have it speak in those weird moans it makes.
Tongues at will, plus a continuous mind link power so it can hear what you hear and translate for you.
Plane Shift at will, Greater Teleport at will.
Permanent walls of force, surrounding the outside of the TARDIS.
Permanent Fly spell.
Add in a permanent Screen spell "There is no box. The box is a lie."
Also, an at-will Light spell, for the top.
That's a start, at least.Last edited by streakster; 2008-03-30 at 06:02 PM.
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Tell your friends in your party to chip in. They'll benefit too.
Also, Shrink Item can make huge amounts of cash - shrink some huge temple altars or such that are normally too big to move, and cash them in for work funds.The perfect fighter fix.
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2008-03-30, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-03-30, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alternatively...
DM: So, you're at the edge of the stronghold, and you see-
Artificer: Everyone! NOW!
*party and NPC hirelings all fire Shrink wands*
Artificer: I did the math. We've got enough to shrink a dozen cities here.
DM: I... crap. Fine. You now have a tiny goblin stronghold. What do you do?
Artificer: We put it on the wagon. I hire the bard to begin advertising our fortress for sale.Avatar by K penguin. Sash by Damned1rishman.
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2008-03-30, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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i have no idea how this will work or even if it will. make a key that turns any door that it "unlocks" it to MMM that has 2 doors at the front entrance. and the key is an Intelligent Item so it will not open the second door for anyone but you. And now i want to see if this works enjoy my idea.
did alittle of the math and the price adjustment is 95664 then you add in the price of a key (simiple or fancy). you might be able to do it but it can only be used 3/day because thats how many charges it has of MMM and afew things off the list above.Last edited by D Knight; 2008-03-30 at 10:12 PM.
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2008-03-30, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't forget the -30% discount custom magic item crafting rule's discount from the DMG tying the magic to something like the PC being the only one able to use it.
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Wasn't there a spell that let you make your own psudo-plane? Genesis or something like that? I'm sure an Artificer could whip up a scroll of a 9th level spell by 8th character level and UMD it into existance.
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A scroll of Genesis is 3,825 GP. An item of Planeshift 3x per day is 46,000 GP. That may be the best idea so far.
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Dangit, yes. I just saw that. 5,000 XP. It would be cheaper to Wish for an item of continuous MMM inside of a BoH. Someone fix Genesis, will you? It's an epic level spell, but there should be a cheaper way of doing this.
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Firstly, Annarrkkii: When you make a thread in this forum with one word and try to make it ALL CAPS it will make it so that only the first letter is capitalized.
Quite frankly 50 cubic feet is plenty of room so long as you have control as to the proportions. I'm going to try some math, so if I'm wrong, tell me so. I at least admit I am prone to make errors when it comes to math.
So my assumption is that cubic means length times width times height. So we in essence have at least an average of 50x50x50, giving us the number 125000 to play with.
So let's say you have need use of a 20 ft ceiling. 125000 / 20 = 6250. Now, let's say we keep the original width of the place, that being 50. 6250 / 50 = 125. So we have a space of 50x125x20. Still adds up to 50 cubic ft.
And again, I apologize if I am wrong. I just want to bring a fresh perspective.
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Demented Fellow:You're wrong.
50 cubic feet = 5*5*2.
125,000 cubic feet = 50*50*50.[/sarcasm]
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Don't forget most Stronghold Builder's Guide cost per space use a 20' by 20' room which is probably allowed a little leeway on the height 10 - 20' range.
The Psionic Genesis Power EPH might be a cheap way to acquire more space depending on if it can be cast for someone to make a private demiplane since it only has a 1,000 exp cost.
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2008-03-30, 11:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you did continuous MMM as Wondrous Architecture from Stronghold Builder's Guidebook, and if you did it as non-movable, but inside a Portable Hole, it would be 45,500(500*7*13)+22,000(Portable Hole)=67,500. Still bad, but better.
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2008-03-31, 12:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, I looked in the Magic Item compendium and found a Relic called the Enveloping Pit.
For lawful evil, lawful neutral, or neutral evil characters it acts like a portable hole except the opening can be as small as a 1-foot square or a 10-foot square if layed out and its 50 feet deep. So, set a few walls and floors in there and you could have yourself five or so 10 by 10 square foot rooms.
The market price is a mere 3,600 gp. But it requires Sanctify Relic in addition to Craft Wonderous Item and it seems the origional ones were made a kobold goddess named Kurtulmak.
So yeah, if you want to go that route, just find a deity that likes your idea and let them help you.
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Permanent Shrink Item could also work.
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I was considering that. What happens if you enter a shrunken building? Thats the sort of thing that would work well. I think my best bet is to simply ask my DM about a modified shrink spell. I don't think he's seen enough Dr. Who to know where I'm going with this. It even sounds rather like a standard DMG item. The teleporting and other nifty extras I can add in later.
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