Immortallity without being a lich?

[Arakune]

There is any mean? I want for my NG wizard to attain immortality but I don't want to be an undead or do something unspeakable evil or trying to use leadership cheese to attain DvR 0.

And I don't want to be an Elan too, since my wiz is a human.

[Bag_of_Holding]

Outsiders are also considered immortal. Try getting a template that changes your type to outsider. Apart from that it gets even harder.

Try this thread and see if you find anything fancy.

[mostlyharmful]

Be a half-fey, or take ten levels in the (sub-par) Elemental Savant, or Necropolitan (but I'll guess you don't want to be Undead in general). Try to get hold of a portrait of Dorian Grey ( ) or just ask your DM to houserule agelessness as within the bounds of a Wish. Use the Steal Life spell from BoVD that nicks a week of someone elses life for each attribute point drained. Or just move sticks to the Astral Plane.

[Zincorium]

Generally, anything which changes you into some creature type that is immortal will do the trick.



If you aren't lawful (or can stop being lawful), Alienist is a creepy but really cool and not too shabby prc in complete Arcane which will get you the outsider type by level 15. Acolyte of the skin is the suckier, more evil version of it.

Green star adept, as much as it deserves the slag it got in the thread on it, does technically keep you from dying of old age. Renegade Mastermaker from Eberron is much better for the same purpose.

[Edan]

The first thing that popped into my head is to use Wish...but we all know how good that can turn out. I mean, a backfired immortality wish is actually an example of how to deal with huge wishes. Potentially you could research an epic spell to do it, but actually reaching epic level would be challenging, then hitting the spellcraft DC to research it.

I can't think of anything by RAW, but if you have a lenient DM, perhaps your DM could work with you to create a custom solution. Like some extravagant ritual, divine intervention or some epic quest.

[Green Bean]

Immortality? Try this.

[Parvum]

Become an Elan.

(Actually, it's an interesting idea to present to your DM. Elans are humans with great psionic potential trained to better harness it, right? In theory, you could work together to create some magic equivalent. It would be interesting, but maybe more work than you're looking for)

In a more general spectrum, find some way to become any of the ageless races. Pay for a few mind switches. See if your DM thinks Wish can change race.

Clone is an easy way to live forever, though you need constant upkeep and there is a danger that your clone might be killed near when you've aged to near death.

No undead? ...Deathless? Out of ideas.

[puppyavenger]

1. learn genises (level 9 spell)
2. Learn Astral projection(level 9 spell)
3. Create a timeless plane
4. gate/plane shift there
5.. cast Astral projection
6. manifest on the material plane
7. ????
8.PROFIT

[mostlyharmful]

Constructs, Outsiders, Undead, Fey, Elemental, Deathless. If you can change to one of these you're all good. If you can get the patronage of something very very powerful that should work to (Gods chosen don't age)

[NEO|Phyte]

And I don't want to be an Elan too, since my wiz is a human.

Become a Warforged?

[SilverClawShift]

Become a Warforged?

Don't warforged age like other creatures?

[mostlyharmful]

Don't warforged age like other creatures?

They get up until Old age catagory, then its - all the way.

[NEO|Phyte]

Don't warforged age like other creatures?

So do Elans. Its just that (to my knowledge) neither has a max age, so you'll live forever.

[Nermy]

Take 10 levels of Green Star Adept.

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[The_Snark]

Warforged never go above middle-aged; their joints and the like do get a bit slower with age, but they never fully decompose. Elans, on the other hand, are not—as the rules are written—immortal at all, though their maximum age is 2,000 years. A bit of a contradiction between the fluff and the rules, there, and I usually ignore elan aging.

Killoren don't go above old age unless they want to, but there's no way to become one, unlike elans and warforged.

Also, note that native outsiders aren't necessarily immortal; planetouched age at the same rate as humans. You'd have to find a transitional class or template that didn't give the native subtype, or just ask your DM if you'd stop aging as a native outsider.

[NEO|Phyte]

Elans, on the other hand, are not—as the rules are written—immortal at all, though their maximum age is 2,000 years. A bit of a contradiction between the fluff and the rules, there, and I usually ignore elan aging.

There was an Errata, I believe. I know d20srd.org shows them as having no max age.
:edit: A visit to wizards.com confirms, no max age for Elans.

[Emperor Tippy]

Warforged never go above middle-aged; their joints and the like do get a bit slower with age, but they never fully decompose. Elans, on the other hand, are not—as the rules are written—immortal at all, though their maximum age is 2,000 years. A bit of a contradiction between the fluff and the rules, there, and I usually ignore elan aging.

Check out the XPH errata. That was fixed. Elans have no maximum age.

[The_Snark]

Glad to hear they fixed that. Always annoyed me.

[Emperor Tippy]

Glad to hear they fixed that. Always annoyed me.

What annoys me is that they take the aging penalties.

That makes no fluff sense at all.

[puppyavenger]

How exactly do you become a warforged? And isthere a permanent possesion effect? if so become a bodyswitcher.

[Tren]

Killoren don't go above old age unless they want to, but there's no way to become one, unlike elans and warforged.

Wait, does that imply there's a way for a human to become a warforged?

[tyckspoon]

Wait, does that imply there's a way for a human to become a warforged?

Renegade Mastermaker (I think that's it; it's been mentioned a few times in recent threads) is a transformative PrC that turns you into one. I don't think there's any other officially printed way to just turn a human into a warforged like there is for becoming undead via Necropolitan.

[DementedFellow]

If memory serves, there are about 3 PrCs in Frostburn that give you immortality at the end.

[Randel]

I suppose you could create some kind of "living lich" involving an eldrich machine and the clone spell.

Create a big magic device, put your still-living body into a tube that preserves it in near stasis, have the machine create a clone body that your soul enters.

You now have a clone body that you can work with and if that gets killed then your soul returns to your original body instantly and you remain in sleep until the machine creates another clone body.

Maybe modify it so that its a four level prestige class that involves you adding spell effects into your body
1st level = no need to eat,
2nd level = ability to communicate telepathically, no need to breath
3rd level = ability to enter a trance and cast Project Image,
4th level = you can enter a deep sleep where you don't age and create a clone body that your soul enters. If this body is destroyed you simply return to your real one and create another. If your 'real' body is destroyed then you lose the four prestige class levels and are trapped in the new clone body.

[holywhippet]

Start a religious cult dedicated to the worship of you. If you get enough worshippers you'll become a god.

[AslanCross]

I suppose you could create some kind of "living lich" involving an eldrich machine and the clone spell.

Problem with the clone spell is that it does not make you truly immortal. It makes you unkillable, yes, but when it's your time, the spell fails.

In Forgotten Realms, there's the Chosen of Mystra template (which I loathe and despise) that gives a massive CON bonus (+10), among other things, including immunity to aging. It doesn't explicitly state immortality, but all of the Chosen in Forgotten Realms are well beyond 600 years of age. (Elminster is over a thousand.)

The Chosen of Bane template only gives immunity to aging's negative effects (you still get the INT, WIS and CHA bonuses), but you're still mortal and die of old age. (Which is strange, as Fzoul Chembryl, chosen of Bane, is over a hundred years old despite being human.)

I'm sure these can easily be reflavored for your particular setting, though IMO they're rather cheesy and are best on NPCs.

[BardicDuelist]

Problem with the clone spell is that it does not make you truly immortal. It makes you unkillable, yes, but when it's your time, the spell fails.

In Forgotten Realms, there's the Chosen of Mystra template (which I loathe and despise) that gives a massive CON bonus (+10), among other things, including immunity to aging. It doesn't explicitly state immortality, but all of the Chosen in Forgotten Realms are well beyond 600 years of age. (Elminster is over a thousand.)

The Chosen of Bane template only gives immunity to aging's negative effects (you still get the INT, WIS and CHA bonuses), but you're still mortal and die of old age. (Which is strange, as Fzoul Chembryl, chosen of Bane, is over a hundred years old despite being human.)

I'm sure these can easily be reflavored for your particular setting, though IMO they're rather cheesy and are best on NPCs.

Where are these Chosen Templates?

[Rayzin]

Start a religious cult dedicated to the worship of you. If you get enough worshippers you'll become a god.

Hmmm... meh. its good enough for me.

[MeklorIlavator]

I think that one proposed way exploited the language in Reincarnate. Not sure of specifics, but I think it has to do with the way in which you become a young adult of the species you turn into.

[Kalirren]

First, find a society that venerates saints and believes in the ability for people to be directly inspired by saints.

Then, find an important church somewhere within that society, and use silent stilled magic jar to keep your soul intact forever in a gemstone embedded in some architectural sculpture. One in a while, possess someone important and speak through their body.

You get immortality and influence at the cost of not having a (recognizeable) body most of the time. If you were more powerful, you might even be able to astral-project yourself in a useful fashion.