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2008-04-23, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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The most powerful mage
How powerful would the most powerful mage be? If you could create one. What could he do? Could he use a telekinesis like ability to throw people around? Choke them? Will them to die?
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Yes to all of the above.
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If you're refering to D&D Arcane Casters, they can already do pretty much anything, which is why a lot of people see Wizards as being overpowered (some spells, such as the Polymorph line and Celerity can be ridiculous).
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2008-04-23, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Kind of like Elminster in the Forgotten Realms but better.
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Elminster? Pah. He's rubbish.
Given unlimited power (read: levels), it's likely that the most powerful character EVAR (barring infinite pun-pun-esque loops) would be the warforged/elan psion who lives forever in a single moment manufacturing an arbitrarily large volume of quintessence.
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2008-04-23, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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The most powerful mage would have the Epic Spellcasting feat, obviously.
That's all.
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The most powerful mage could do anything, because he'd be a 21st level caster using the Omniscificer loop to boost Spellcraft. The first thing he'd do is make a spell that made him unkillable from damage and allowed him to stay conscious at any HP total and was instantaneous. The second thing would be to create a spell that churns out gold at a never-ending rate. The third would be to purchase a Thought Bottle, and the fourth would be to create a plane with accelerated time such that he can research and cast any spell within seconds.
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2008-04-23, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes. What he does is truly horrifying.
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The most powerful non-epic non looping mage:
He can never be surprised or ambushed. He always goes first. If he gets in trouble he can take a free action to teleport away. Whenever he comes to a fight he teleports away his secret hideout that can't be scryed on even by the gods, and can't be found. He rests for the day getting all the exact spells he needs to defeat the challenge and then he goes back.
In short he is invulnerable and infinitly adaptable.
Ala batman.
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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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It would be less of a will issue and more of 'oh, today's been dull, ah, a fly' then follow by the wiping out of the existence of the poor soul denoted as as the fly, whether a peasant, Elminister, or even a God, it would be nothing to restrucutre time and space so the individual never existed, one of the ultimate epic spells. Inevitably, you would also be entirely immune to the side effects of rewriting history so as to be without that person.
The ultimate power, to restructure time and space at your will! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!
Oh, wait, I'm not supossed to be the villain, oh well, with that power good and evil seems to be more of your chosing, and less of a general consensus.Beware of the Gazebo - it might just be a giant worm in disguise
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2008-04-23, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ahh, I see.
But which would be more powerful - a level 40 psion or a level 40 wizard? Or could a psion be more powerful than a wizard at some other level? (high levels, not a temporary "better level" in the low levels..)
And could a psion do the same things as the wizard? Could he maybe do more? Would it be a bit more effective, since he only needs to use his mind?
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2008-04-23, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depends on the builds.
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Originally Posted by NeshYou have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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2008-04-23, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Seeing as epic psionics is exactly the same as epic spell casting a level 40 psion and a level 40 wizard can be equally powerful as they can do the exact same things.
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2008-04-23, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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To cover the examples in the OP, Telekinesis is a fifth-level spell, and can throw people around using the "combat maneuver" option, and Finger of Death is a seventh-level spell, and basically amounts to the mage willing the target to die. I don't know of any spell which works by choking the target, but Crisis of Breath is a 3rd-level psionic power which does the trick. A wizard could probably research a spell version of that, or if nothing else simulate it with Limited Wish, a 7th-level spell (though he would probably have better options for a Limited Wish). So a 13th-level wizard, less than two thirds of the way through the normal (non-epic) level progression, can easily do all three of those things.
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That's interesting, I never even thought about Epic Manifestation before.
Here's the link in case anyone is interested: Epic Psionic Powers.
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Originally Posted by SRDLast edited by JaxGaret; 2008-04-23 at 07:31 PM.
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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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2008-04-23, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not really. Seeing as everything should be mitigated down to a DC of 0 the Psion/Wizards spellcraft/psicraft score is irrelevant.
I only need 3 spells created, and even then you actually really only need 2 (it just takes longer). One to summon solars and an Uber Origin of the Species.
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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Eh, you still need to defend yourself for the time it takes you to summon enough solars to do whatever it is you're doing with them. 9th-level spells would be useful for that.
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2008-04-23, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Summoning Solars allows you to mitigate epic spell DC away; Origin of species gives you any epic spell you can imagine at will as an extraordinary ability.
Edit- Epic psions do have a slight disadvantage, in that Psionic Genesis doesn't allow altered time traits, so one must hire someone to cast the arcane version or make do with summoning all those Solars in real time.Last edited by PirateMonk; 2008-04-23 at 08:19 PM.
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You make an epic spell to summon a monster with spell casting. Couatl's are generally a good starting point as they cast as 5th level sorcerers. The unmitigated DC to permanently summon 1 is 150. Or a casting time of 10 minutes and 15 casters sacrificing a 5th level slot each.
Day 1 you cast the spell twice, gaining 2 Couatl's that can sacrifice 5th level spell slots for ritual magic. After 15 days you have 30 Couatl's, which provide enough spell slots to mitigate away the DC to permanently summon a solar. Repeat until you have a bunch of solars. Make a new spell that summons multiple solars (which can sacrifice 9th level spell slots).
After a hundred days you have enough solars to mitigate away a DC of 25,090.
Making an Origin of the Species with every ability you can think of as a free action at will ability only runs about 20K (the saved spell is on another hard drive though). Were talking at will, free action, teleports, timestops, immunity to all magic, all ability scores at at least 100, and a ton of other things.
Once you have your Uber form, spells and powers are irrelevant.
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2008-04-23, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where are the rules for using other casters to fuel your Epic spellcasting?
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Originally Posted by Emperor TippyYou have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ritual casting, creatures so created are Friendly to you.
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In the creating epic spells section of the SRD.
I didn't think that Origin of the Species gave you control over the creation - wouldn't it be just as likely to kill you as to let you inhabit its body?
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