4e Warforged...

[SamTheCleric]

I assume that means that they will be in the Monster Manual and probably have stats on how to make one as a PC... just without all the body feats... at least not yet.

(Today's Daily Art Preview)

[Morty]

Nice piece of art, but personally, I hope Warforged stay out of Core. It's a futile hope though, I'm afraid.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Woo!

My guess is that they'll be in the Monster Manual I (like there won't be 17 different ones) with Gnomes and other Eberron-specific races. Either that or the 4e Eberron Campaign Setting is coming out a lot sooner than I would have expected, which meets with my approval.

[Artanis]

I recall reading somewhere that they will indeed be in the Monster Manual. Damned if I remember where though

[Jerthanis]

I'm not sure if I want setting specific monsters in the core MM, but I really like Eberron, and will probably run an Eberron campaign in 4E before the new setting book is out, so I shouldn't complain.

The art is okay, but it seems more cartoony than some of the more classic style fantasy art I've seen bouncing around for 4E.

[AKA_Bait]

Yay! Robots in my core D&D books... [/sarcasm]

Jerthanis, I agree with you about the art. The other stuff I've seen tended to look more classical and less cartoonish. However, this could mean that this picture of the Warforged isn't going to appear in the 4e MM but in the 4e ECS, if the ECS opts for a more cartoonish art style. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

[ShadowSiege]

Yay! Robots in my core D&D books... [/sarcasm]

Ahem. In Monster Manual I of 3.5:
Shield Guardian, Golems, Inevitables, Retrievers are all robots. A case could even be made for the non-intelligent undead being organic robots.

[Tough_Tonka]

I'm not sure if I want setting specific monsters in the core MM, but I really like Eberron, and will probably run an Eberron campaign in 4E before the new setting book is out, so I shouldn't complain.

The art is okay, but it seems more cartoony than some of the more classic style fantasy art I've seen bouncing around for 4E.

Just because something is introduced in a campaign setting, that doesn't make it setting specific.

[Mewtarthio]

Ahem. In Monster Manual I of 3.5:
Shield Guardian, Golems, Inevitables, Retrievers are all robots. A case could even be made for the non-intelligent undead being organic robots.

Strictly speaking, Golems are just animate statues. Retrievers and Inevitables both have robotty feel to them, though.

[Glawackus]

The Warforged were created by Man...
They Rebelled.
They Evolved.
There are many copies...
And they have a Plan.

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All kidding aside, I did say "hey, it's like a D&D Centurion!" when I first saw this.
I kind of prefer the art from the Eberron Campaign Setting book to this.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

If I was excited about 4th ed, I'd be jumping for joy at the idea of running a Skynet spoof with modified warforged.

[Ecalsneerg]

Yay! Robots in my core D&D books... [/sarcasm]

Someone's made the inevitable 'they're golems' point so I'll ask:

Do you use absolutely everything in the Monster Manual?

[Hadrian_Emrys]

Someone's made the inevitable 'they're golems' point so I'll ask:

Do you use absolutely everything in the Monster Manual?

I do. All at once. In. EVERY. Encounter. It helps that the party has a player for every class. Year three, and we're not even done with the first random encounter.

[Pirate_King]

I rather like warforged. I'm more concerned about what I've heard about half-dragons as a base race. Is nothing sacred? please, someone tell me this is a base-less rumor...

[SamTheCleric]

I rather like warforged. I'm more concerned about what I've heard about half-dragons as a base race. Is nothing sacred? please, someone tell me this is a base-less rumor...

Not half-dragons... Dragonborn. Kind of like the Dragonborn race from Races of Dragon, but naturally occuring instead of "divinely" created.

[NEO|Phyte]

Mmmm, warforged, one of the few races I've really come to enjoy, along with thri-kreen.

...It says something about me that my preferred races lack a "human" mindset, doesn't it?

[Artanis]

TBH, I think the picture looks almost identical to how Warforged were portrayed in the Eberron books. The glowing red eyes are the only difference that I can see, and that could easily be written off as anything from a class feature to a spell effect to a simple manufacturing error.

[Storm Bringer]

I rather like warforged. I'm more concerned about what I've heard about half-dragons as a base race. Is nothing sacred? please, someone tell me this is a base-less rumor...

nope. I've seen the preview books, and dragonborn are a base race, as well as Tieflings, which are not only mainstream, but not particularlly evil as a race. more sort of chaotic angtsy.........

[Illiterate Scribe]

The Warforged were created by Man...
They Rebelled.
They Evolved.
There are many copies...
And they have a Plan.

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All kidding aside, I did say "hey, it's like a D&D Centurion!" when I first saw this.
I kind of prefer the art from the Eberron Campaign Setting book to this.

They look and feel like elves.

Some are programmed to think they are elves.

[CockroachTeaParty]

That's actually one of the least interesting looking warforged I've ever seen.

[Jerthanis]

Just because something is introduced in a campaign setting, that doesn't make it setting specific.

It could be because I'm an Eberron fan, but to me Warforged are intrinsically bound to that setting. It could be my taste, but the idea of Warforged in Forgotten Realms, or Ravenloft? Spelljammer and Planescape maybe...

TBH, I think the picture looks almost identical to how Warforged were portrayed in the Eberron books. The glowing red eyes are the only difference that I can see, and that could easily be written off as anything from a class feature to a spell effect to a simple manufacturing error.

I don't dislike the art, I just feel it's got an inconsistent style when compared to all the other 4th edition art released so far. It's a purely stylistic quibble, and not a very intense one at that.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

nope. I've seen the preview books, and dragonborn are a base race, as well as Tieflings, which are not only mainstream, but not particularlly evil as a race. more sort of chaotic angtsy.........

-because every role playing game needs SOMETHING for the "angsty, emo, and misunderstood" demographic. I'd much prefer the liberal application of mace/soap personally.

[Scintillatus]

Where does this "whiny emo" thing come from with Tieflings? Surely half-demons would be less mopey and more cutting your head of for being such a puny, weakling human with a terrible sense of humor and a complete lack of understanding of modern musical subculture.

...Ahem. *conceals horns beneath hair*

[Starsinger]

Where does this "whiny emo" thing come from with Tieflings? Surely half-demons would be less mopey and more cutting your head of for being such a puny, weakling human with a terrible sense of humor and a complete lack of understanding of modern musical subculture.

...Ahem. *conceals horns beneath hair*

Because all most people see is "Tiefling is the new Drow"

[The Faceless]

Because all most people see is "Tiefling is the new Drow"

So, are Drow the new Kobold?

[Rutee]

Where does this "whiny emo" thing come from with Tieflings? Surely half-demons would be less mopey and more cutting your head of for being such a puny, weakling human with a terrible sense of humor and a complete lack of understanding of modern musical subculture.

...Ahem. *conceals horns beneath hair*

It comes from people looking for crap to hate. There's exactly one mention of angst in the entire Tiefling preview, written by like 4 different people, so obviously that means that Tieflings are all angsty mcangstalots.

[Talya]

The Warforged were created by Man...
They Rebelled.
They Evolved.
There are many copies...
And they have a Plan.

Hmm. I get the impression that all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

[Rockphed]

On the subject of art, I don't like that picture. Not because the individual components look funny, but because his right arm(the one holding the shield) doesn't look like it connects to the shield in a manner that would actually end in the shield being secured. Also, his sword's hilt looks funny.

[Terraoblivion]

Really when you read the tiefling preview it seems like they want them to come off badass much more than they want them to come off emo. In fact it seems more like they are meant to be the kind of characters who don't give a damn about their tragic past and their cursed origins and are just out to make a mark for themselves as individuals. Kinda like humans, but with exotic looks, creepy abilities and a whole lot of confidence. In any case emo is about the last thing it seems like they intended them to be, though of course their history makes plenty of room for them being emo. But really if you want an angsty character you can do it with any race with ease and none appear to be designed with that in mind.

[Ascension]

Really when you read the tiefling preview it seems like they want them to come off badass much more than they want them to come off emo.

Agreed. They're still anti-heroes, but they're more the leather-clad angry anti-hero than the whiny emo anti-hero. If I play 4E and if I play a tiefling (two big ifs) I think I'll go more Wolverine-style (please release the barbarian soon...). Granted, I think they're likely to be interpreted by the bulk of the player base as emo regardless of the designers' intent, but at least that's not what they're supposed to be.

It's interesting that they included both the warforged and the tiefling in core in response to what they saw as an increased demand for them, but no one I personally know (in real life, that is) is happy about either decision. Most folks 'round here stick to human-elf-dwarf, with the occasional gnome or half-orc here and there.