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2008-05-04, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
1) By RAW, you can share any spell, even a Personal Range spell, with your familiar. Does that mean that if your familiar is within 5 feet of you when you cast something such as Timestop, your familiar will be able to act alongside with you, and also receive any buffs you give it, within the duration of Timestop?
2) If you have a sculpted Anti-magic field around you and you cast Timestop, does the AMF move around with you during Timestop?
3) On a related note, what forms do you usually polymorph your familiar into? Someting that can help it deliver touch spells better? Or something that can smack things around really well? What would you guys suggest? Red/Gold Dragon?
4) If you polymorph your familiar into something that has Natural Armor, does it still gain the Natural Armor adjustment benefit that it normally gets for being a familiar?
5) How many Wands can a bird-type familiar hold at a time? One in each talon?Last edited by Frosty; 2008-05-04 at 10:01 PM.
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2008-05-04, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
As for #2, it would behave like it would when you are not under the effect of time stop. Don't see why it would suddenly gain the ability to move with you just because you've gained the ability to move really fast.
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
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2008-05-04, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Not when you sculpt it. It loses that ability when you changed if from an emanation.
1) By RAW, you can share any spell, even a Personal Range spell, with your familiar. Does that mean that if your familiar is within 5 feet of you when you cast something such as Timestop, your familiar will be able to act alongside with you, and also receive any buffs you give it, within the duration of Timestop?
4) If you polymorph your familiar into something that has Natural Armor, does it still gain the Natural Armor adjustment benefit that it normally gets for being a familiar?
5) How many Wands can a bird-type familiar hold at a time? One in each talon?Last edited by Nebo_; 2008-05-04 at 10:27 PM.
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2008-05-04, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
I think AMF would move with you, but fail to affect anything. Not that it would matter, since creatures are unaffectable by your spells when you're timestopped anyway.
As for the familiar; absolutely. Timestop specifies that you can't attack or target creatures while under its effects. Can you imagine the difficulty of moving around with a weasel in your trousers while under the effects of timestop?
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Nevermind, a sculpted AMF doesn't move with you anyway.Last edited by Cuddly; 2008-05-04 at 10:14 PM.
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2008-05-04, 10:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Are you sure? I'm not talking about metamagic. I'm talking about the Archmage ability.
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2008-05-04, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
If you are casting Shapechange, share it with your familiar and have it use all the Su abilities that are awesome, like Dragon Breaths.
Before that, I like to use the PHB II polymorph subschool spells, that way it gets BAB for it's HD and can be a very strong melee combatant. I don't usually Polymorph my Familiar at all using the actual Polymorph spell.
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2008-05-04, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Hm, you can keep the spell as emanation with the archmage's shaping. I say it goes with you. There's nothing in the description to suggest that the ranges of spells change with a shaped spell.
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2008-05-04, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-04, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Hmm..
I wonder what would occur if you did an archmage shaped AMF, then shared a time stop with your familiar, then had your familiar move out to a square of the AMF for one of the rounds time stop.
Which duration would it rely on for the time stop? Since, in one reading of it, the familiar's time stop would last for a round longer then, the round it was out.Avatar by Alarra
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2008-05-05, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Dragon Magic has more dragonshapes: least for a pseudodragon at 3rd, and lesser for a young red at 6th. It also has 7th and 8th level spells for aspects of Bahamut and Tiamat, respectively.
Complete Mage has Dreaded Form of the Eye Tyrant and[Form of Unyielding DeathUnyielding Form of Inevitable Death for Beholder and Marut forms, both at 8th level, and allowing one use of each of their at will powers.
Of course all polymorph subschool spells replace your statblock (except for hp) with the form taken, and add some temporary hp to your base, and none of them (at least not yet printed) grant you spellcasting (the aforementioned Beholder and Marut forms allow limited use of far lower level spell like abilities, much as a summon monster spell for a Djinni or Avoral do).Last edited by Fizban; 2008-05-05 at 12:33 AM.
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2008-05-05, 01:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
What good would that do? If the familiar moves more than 5 feet away from you, the AMF stops. AMF doesn't have a range of "you", so you have to share spell it with your familiar.
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2008-05-05, 01:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Actually, the Raven can't talk while inside an AMF. Its speech is (Su). It can, however, still Speak with Master (Ex) as long as the master is 5th level or higher.
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2008-05-05, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
I will let it be shaped...once I actually take a level in Archmage. It'll be a little while from now.
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2008-05-05, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
1) Cuddly, you just cast AMF on your familiar because you can cast Personal spells on him. Then it is centered on him, and he can fly around messing with enemy spellcasters.
2) Frosty, depends on your build, Make sure you look in the Spell Compendium, Dragon Magic, Complete Mage, and the PHB II.
Combat: Aspect of Tiamat is pretty decent, so is Maruat. The level 6 Dragon spell is also pretty good, especially combined with buffs like shared wraithstrike or bloodwind to hit casters with the full attack.
My personal favorite as a Metaed Orb machine is the Beholder form. Have your familiar put them in the cone, then Orb them. It's like a swift action disjunction that doesn't destroy loot, just neutralize it. The form is still good even if you aren't an Orb master, since you can have him target enemies that can't fly naturally, or disable spellcasters.
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2008-05-05, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Unfortunately the DM does not have Dragon Magic :( But the Beholder option is in Complete Mage you sa? I'll have to go check it out. But yeah, right now, I'm mostly going for the anti-magic raven screwing with enemy casters. I don't haveenough money to upgrade my runestaves with all of these polymoprhing antics right now.
It's not a grapple check to have my raven LAND on the shoulder of an enemy right? What's the check for the enemy to get it off?
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2008-05-05, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
You're better off not having it land on them, but ready it's action to follow them (forcing them to use their standard action to get out as well drastically reducing their casting potential) since landing on them would require provoking an AoO.
(I'm mostly thinking of the Monster casters here.)
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2008-05-05, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
I'm a Beguiler. My Familiar has good Tumble ranks. But yes, I am definitely going to have it ready an action.
Speaking of which. If, om Round N, I cast a touch spell and designate my familiar as the toucher so it can touch the enemy next turn (enemy too far away to touch this turn), can I give it enough instructions so it can dkeep on carrying out its orders if I am not able to give it an order for a round?
For example, let's say during an enemy turn on Round N, an enemy was going to uber-charge me to death or something, and I cast Celerity and Wall of Force or Solid Fog or something. Great. I live. I'm dazed on Round N+1. Is my familiar smart enough to carry out the touch attack?
Fun things to do with a familiar: Cast Glibness on the familiar and then Polymorph on it or something. Turn it into a human and then turn yourself into a small animal following the human around. With your ranks in Bluff and Glibness, everyone will believe YOU are the familiar.Last edited by Frosty; 2008-05-05 at 07:58 PM.
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2008-05-05, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
It *starts* at low humanoid Int. By the time you can drop a Celerity it's somewhere between human average and high Intelligence. What possible reason would there be for it to *not* be capable of following instructions? Familiars even get Speak With Master at Int 8 which would allow you to carry out such a plan even if you didn't get a raven.
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2008-05-05, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A few questions about Timestop and Familiars
Your Familiar is smarter then the party Barbarian. Is your Barbarian smart enough to keep attacking enemies when you are dazed?
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