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Thread: Bracers of Entangling Blast
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2008-05-04, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bracers of Entangling Blast
Cost 2000 gp.
Effect: 3x daily, on any damaging spell you cast, you can choose to reduce the damage by 50%, and in turn entangle everyone who takes damage for 1d3 rounds, and do an additional 1 point of damage per spell level every round they are entangled.
Is it just me, or are these way too good for their cost? I mean, with a magic missile and these bracers, you can entangle 5 opponents for 1d3 rounds, no save or strength check or escape artist check, so long as you don't fail to peirce SR, it works. (And if SR's an issue, an orb will let you do the same thing to a single target.)
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2008-05-04, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, they seem pretty powerful to me, yeah. But I'm no expert on balance.
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2008-05-04, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Does it specifically say they are entangled without any ability to escape and without a reflex save? I'd have thought it would offer the same chances as a regular entangle spell.
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2008-05-04, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-04, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, that's pretty brutal. Imagine slapping those babies on and opening up with an acid fog.
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2008-05-04, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah they're great, but I prefer Bracers of Arcane Freedom (Still Spell 2x a day). That way I'm never under serious threat by a grapple.
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2008-05-04, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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That is correct.
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For comparison, the first-level psionic power Entangling Ectoplasm will also entangle a target on a touch attack, without save or SR, but for five rounds. And a Tanglefoot Bag will also entangle on a ranged touch attack roll, for 2d4 rounds, and will even work in an antimagic field.
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2008-05-04, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of Entangling Blast
Just remember that being entangled doesn't prevent you from moving unless it's anchored to something, which this item doesn't do.
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2008-05-04, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there a way to get damage on a ray of clumsiness?
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2008-05-04, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of Entangling Blast
just houserule a reflex save and you're golden.
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Last edited by AmberVael; 2008-05-04 at 11:03 PM.
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2008-05-04, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alternatively, have sneak attack. The sneak attack dice will end up as negative energy damage, rather than more of an ability penalty.
These seem to have been based off the Entangling Exhalation feat, which allows you to do the same thing with a breath weapon.Avatar by GryffonDurime. Thanks!
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2008-05-04, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure that would technically work, Snark. The wording indicates that the spell itself has to do damage, so I don't think sneak attack would really apply...
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2008-05-04, 11:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-05, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought I remembered reading an example somewhere that discussed what happened when using spells that deal ability damage with sneak attack, or something. Rather than dealing multiple d6s of ability damage/penalty or negative levels, you deal negative energy damage instead...
I could, however, be completely wrong on the specifics; thinking it over, it seems to me that there's no reason sneak attack would apply to spells that inflict negative levels and ability penalties. I can't seem to recall where I read the ruling in the first place, or whether it was in an actual book or a semiofficial source like the FAQ, so you're probably right.Avatar by GryffonDurime. Thanks!
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2008-05-05, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of Entangling Blast
Sneak attack and weaponlike spells is addressed in detail in Complete Arcane. Spells with attack rolls that deal ability damage or energy drain get sneak attack added as negative energy damage. Spells like Ray of Enfeeblement that inflict an ability penalty do not get sneak attack at all - a penalty is not the same as damage and can neither crit, get sneak attack, nor stack with itself.
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Icewind Dale 2 had arrows with a -1 damage and to hit, that entangled on a successful attack, and did so for four rounds. I think these bracers are less powerful in direct comparison, but for the stated use...
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2008-05-05, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of Entangling Blast
Ummm, apply these bracers to the Numbing Sphere spell, and precede it with a Quickend Ray of Clumsiness. Drop their reflex save so they can't save vs NS, then impose entangled (-4 dex) and then the dex damage that Numbing Sphere imposes to pretty much KO anyone with an average dex score. Brutal.
Ohhhh, pop this baby on a Freezing Fog. 1/2 movement and the dex penalty from the entangled condition would make it EXTREMELY difficult to get out of the spell. The 1/2 damage isn't a huge killer, since you are only 1/2ing a single d6 (AVG 2 dmg vs AVG 3.5 dmg per round). Too bad the entangled only lasts a very short period of time. It should say 1d3 rounds OR the duration of the spell. That would cover instantaneous spells (like fireball) as well as lingering spells like Acid Arrow or the above mentioned Freezing Fog.
How does 1/2ing someone's movement work when they are only allowed 5' of movement at a time? Does that mean 5' for the price of 2 move actions? Or can your movement never be reduced to less than 5' unless you have a condition that specifically immobilizes you? What about multiple 1/2ings? What if you were in a Blinded in a Fog Cloud stacked on top of an Evards in an area of Spiked Stones? Tack on a Web? Slow? Exhaustion (via Ray or Waves)?
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2008-05-05, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes.
Get the Snowcasting feat from Frostburn. (Add cold descriptor)
Get Ray Coning/Ray Burst. (Changes ray to an area)
Get Flash Frost. (Adds damage to area effect with the gold descriptor)
Probably get Arcane Thesis too, just so you can afford all that on one spell.
Hm, looking it up, though, it adds a material component of non-neglible cost, too. Still, it works, and is a lot simpler than Snowcasting shenanigans.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2008-05-05, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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For reference, entangling does this:
The character is ensnared. Being entangled impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by an opposing force. An entangled creature moves at half speed, cannot run or charge, and takes a -2 penalty on all attack rolls and a -4 penalty to Dexterity. An entangled character who attempts to cast a spell must make a Concentration check (DC 15 + the spell’s level) or lose the spell.
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2008-05-05, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not complaining. I looted a pair off an enemy sorceress (whom I captured, rather than killed...and am converting into a devout follower), along with a runestaff of enchantment. It was a profitable night for me in our regular saturday campaign. I think I'll use them exclusively with magic missile. They seem useful, even at 15th level.
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2008-05-05, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can always take a fullround action to move 5 feet, no matter how many halvings of your speed there are. Multiple halvings halve each time, unlike the usual rule for multiples. So 15 feet, then 5, then zero. You can still stagger 5' as a fullround though. But I dunno about 5' steps.
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