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    A Yeerk would count as violating the restriction. It is about not interfering with Free Will in a any sort of invasive way basically.
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    A Yeerk would count as violating the restriction. It is about not interfering with Free Will in a any sort of invasive way basically.
    Explain to me exactly where the restriction lies.
    For a bit of reference, my actual class idea is to have a character who uses "strings" of psionic power to take over a target's brain. As they progress through the class, the power becomes more mental, allowing them to use their psychic force to augment their puppet's strength (I.E. using their INT score instead of the target's STR), taking over constructs and undead (would not be possible normally as they don't have a working nervous system), eventual access to the target's thoughts and memories, leaving a "mark" in a puppet for remote control, etc.

    It's really got nothing to do with physically invading the target. I only used the Yeerks as a metaphor for the intended end result, which is control of the brain (with slow movement toward taking over the mind.

    I think this works? It fits in with the intended theme; as it uses mind control (or at least brain control)

    Of course, I may be fixing the wrong problem here; help me out?
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    The power as I envisioned it is no more usable on a construct or undead than any other psionic power. Now if you wanted to hybridize/multiclass it with something else, that would be an interesting concept. The usual use of the class is to get the party wizard out of tight spots without the wizard wasting spell-slots, or whatever... mostly meant to be used on fellow PCs, with the occasional mount, hireling, cohort, or whatever... basically lets you turn any party member into a limited type of skillmonkey or fighter at key moments on the fly.

    Doing it on your own constructs probably wouldn't cause a problem if creating the construct in the first place didn't. And Intellegent undead are no more of a problem than any other ally (although Commanded Undead, including all mindless ones might be a different story).
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    Let me see if I understand the gist of that:
    The class would either A: use his power to control allies, giving them benefits while doing so, such as bonus to stats, greater accuracy, or just the increase in effectiveness from being controlled by a better tactitian (If you're better at using a psionic devices then your rogue friend, manipulate him into using it right. Take control of the figher and move him into a more strategic position that he didnt see from his perspective, etc.)
    Or B: take control of constructs, undead, etc and use them as minions... (thematically appropriate for the class: It was named "puppet master" for a reason)

    Actually, I like the "boost the abilities of your party members through control thing"... but that seems a lot like your class, the benign controller.
    Hm... but if I don't use a unique powers list, focus on the improving of allies' powers through mental (and a little bit of telekinetic) control, and extend that power to unwilling targets...
    What do you think, is there potential?
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    I was really only talking about the limitations imposed by the "Forswear Domination" class feature...

    Go for 'B' if you ask me... keeps up the degree of variety... then to 'A' seperately... of course as a fan of my own class I can't honestly say that I am sure that 'A' wouldn't be cooler...

    But yeah, those sound like their MIGHT be enough difference that they would seem to be two different flavors and very different mechanics...

    And it isn't like I didn't call out what I was going to do fairly early on... so you had warning (or did you also state what you were going to do early?). In any case I don't think we are going to be in danger of plagerizing eachother or really duplicating effort... we might step on eachothers toes a bit, but I don't know.
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    Oh. Wait.
    Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.
    Wait, you thought I was asking a question about your class back on the last page? Back there I was asking whether an idea I had fit within the parameters of the contest. My original idea was different. Sorry, it seems we had a breakdown of communication.
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    Yes, yes we did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enlong View Post
    Explain to me exactly where the restriction lies.
    For a bit of reference, my actual class idea is to have a character who uses "strings" of psionic power to take over a target's brain. As they progress through the class, the power becomes more mental, allowing them to use their psychic force to augment their puppet's strength (I.E. using their INT score instead of the target's STR), taking over constructs and undead (would not be possible normally as they don't have a working nervous system), eventual access to the target's thoughts and memories, leaving a "mark" in a puppet for remote control, etc.

    It's really got nothing to do with physically invading the target. I only used the Yeerks as a metaphor for the intended end result, which is control of the brain (with slow movement toward taking over the mind.

    I think this works? It fits in with the intended theme; as it uses mind control (or at least brain control)

    Of course, I may be fixing the wrong problem here; help me out?
    That's mind control, for all intents and purposes. I mean, Dominate Person is mind control, and it does exactly that, basically (yes, I know, that was not intentional).

    For the record: I have no idea what the Yeerks are.
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    For the record: I have no idea what the Yeerks are.
    It's from Animorphs. They were an alien race that resembled large slugs that would crall into people's ear, wrap around their brain, and take control of them as well as have access to all their memories.

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    Well... pragmatically what should happen is that the original players maintain control of the same characters once things get to that point. Technically it is going to be the Benign Controller controlling both bodies with the host kibitzing mentally in the host's body, but having a player sitting around doing nothing too often is not good mechanics design.
    Maybe I should have been more succinct, since the main issue for me was that the class didn't say when this restriction was lifted.

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    Actually, that is the whole point of the class... a bit interestingly ironic to be sure but that is part of the uniqueness. Remember though that the base mind can kibitz (and grab control back at any time, but that kinda defeats the purpose)....
    We both have mostly the same idea, but differ on how to make the crunch. To clarify, I would suggest that the Benign Telepath would come into the body as a supplemental force (as if a cleric were constantly next to the host, casting spells on him) as opposed to taking over the body (like a fighter/wizard ghost which casts spells), but if that's fully how you wanted it, then good.
    - A part of me wonders how many times Benign Telepaths will (as the class is currently made) just fight in their own bodies, given their good attacks, armor proficiency, and saves.

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    I loath 4E so I am not sure exactly what you are talking about, but it sounds like an interesting concept... not sure if their is room for it in with the other ideas I have...
    Essentially how the class functions/main focus. Currently Arcane, Divine, Martial are in 4.0, but you can make distinctions wherever you want.
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    Have been busily updating as I usually do... have done a lot of the fluff I was worried about for instance, and specified what the bonus feats can be used for. Still need to put in the various stages that there control ability improves in. Capstone will probably be the pinacle of that... something like running both bodies at once, but with limited manifestation and -1 to all saves, checks and attack rolls.

    Hope I didn't mangle the formatting this last time around... need to check on it...

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    Maybe I should have been more succinct, since the main issue for me was that the class didn't say when this restriction was lifted.

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    We both have mostly the same idea, but differ on how to make the crunch. To clarify, I would suggest that the Benign Telepath would come into the body as a supplemental force (as if a cleric were constantly next to the host, casting spells on him) as opposed to taking over the body (like a fighter/wizard ghost which casts spells), but if that's fully how you wanted it, then good.
    Well, as they get more skillful what you suggest becomes more of an option... basically at the lower levels they can't maniphest so the only point to it is for the skills feats, saves and BAB put into the other body. Later they can ride along and buff on the fly or maybe even do the occasional offensive spell.

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    - A part of me wonders how many times Benign Telepaths will (as the class is currently made) just fight in their own bodies, given their good attacks, armor proficiency, and saves.
    Yeah, it is a bit of a problem, but I don't see any way around it that makes logical sense. If I were going to throw plausibility to the wind in favor of balance I might say they can ONLY use their skills in the bodies of others... In any case I don't see it as too big a problem... they can do that until someone needs their help and then take the time to withdraw before making the jump if they want but staying back and doing mental damage works better for being in a safe spot to take advantage of opportunities in the flow of battle.


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    Essentially how the class functions/main focus. Currently Arcane, Divine, Martial are in 4.0, but you can make distinctions wherever you want.
    Ah... interesting idea, but that would be a varient of the class rather than the class I have in mind.
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    Have made many updates for clarity, added most of the fluff for the class itself (as opposed to the example character who I have barely started even crunch-wise), and started to list out the stages in which the benign controller becomes better at multitasking.

    Please comment, especially on balance issues and/or if benign telepathy will ever get used, or if this is just a gish (pish?) class as it currently stands...

    EDIT: looked at Schism... seems to be lacking caster levels for its abilities... class level would make the Manifestated Ego frightfully vulnerable to dispelling, and the saves already make it a crap shoot, especially since it is 1/day.
    Also, the pickable Spell-like abilities seem a bit out of place to me.
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    I'm curious, is there a base class building contest?

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    THere have been in the past, I think.
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    There was, but it failed for one very important reason: base classes are too general. You can't really have themes. With PrCs you can make a class for stealth archers or for clerics of Pelor, but if you tried to do that with base classes you'd end up with another Paladin. PHB version.
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    Ahh, got it.

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    As my entry in the class creation contest, I present the Delusionist! Delusionists control reality by controlling perceptions of themselves and others, to an extent that normal illusionists and enchanters cannot. Go check it out, and good luck to everyone who posted a class! Good work!

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    Reminds me of my "Believers of the Void" entry in one of the other contests. Though all they could do was disbelieve reality, not believe it into something else.

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    Ah, here's the thread.

    Okay, my class is up: the Puppet Master!
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    Oh my. Are you serious?
    This newest contest... ahahah! It's like these last two were made for me. I already have an elemental class ready for reworking!
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    What would be awsome would be to see one using the periodic table.

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    Hmmm.... I am thinking something that is built around Smoke... playing off my "Smokey Floaters"... Would have Stinking Cloud and/or Pyrotechnics as some of the prerequisites... would also get SLA's to summon Smokey Floaters of increasing quality as well as bonuses to the DC and/or SLA castings of the above two spells, plus "Incidiary Cloud", and "Cloud Kill"... restance and then immunity to inhaled toxins, and then no need to breath maybe... token fire resistance, and for the capstone, the ability to see an unlimited distance through smoke and fog (much like my Wing Dragons)...

    So... do people think they would discount that because of my reuse of a few ideas from the Smokey Floaters and Wing Dragons? Other than that, how does it sound?
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    I'm contemplating putting another one of two I've already made into this next one, if only because I'm not having any ideas for another one that isn't really really boring and mundane. I'm only resisting putting another old one on because it's kind of unsporting... at least in my opinion.
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    Krimm, it's you. By nature, you being in a contest for us mere mortals is unsporting.

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    I notice the elemental contest includes positive and negative energy.

    Im assuming the PrC doesnt have to be a caster.

    Are we allowed to make useful but funny ones?
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    Why would it not be allowed? Besides, you see the Evil Overlord?

    Also: In my games, the 6 inner planes (air, earth, fire, water, +, -) are the six elements. Each has an energy tied to them (air=electricity/sonic, fire=fire, water=cold, +=+, -=-, earth=acid) and make up the material plane. In fact, they connect to the material plane in a way, and outer planes don't exist (and by association, nothing that is exclusive to outer planes don't exist as-is).
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    Well I had this idea for a positive energy based Barbarian PrC called the Super Happy Fun Berserker...

    And if that doesnt work i was gonna go with something darker with negative energy...
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    Okay most of the Super Happy Fun Berserker is up. I just need to add equipment and tweak it a little.
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    Looks like we have a good variety of entries up so far. I'm not using the default elements, which I hope is allowed. Wu Xing does actually mean 'five elements' or 'movements' or 'phases' or something like that, according to Wikipedia. Like most of my classes, it's overpowered and trying to do too many things, but the idea was an interesting one, so I'm putting it up anyway. Advice is welcome.
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