Evil outsider CHA synergy?

[Frosty]

Are there any evil outsiders that have an (ex) or (Su) ability that grants either Cha to saves or Cha to AC? I'm trying to create an evil outsider that gets a lot out of Cha and I want to see what existing abilities are out there.

[Nebo_]

Succubus. And some text to satisfy the forum.

[Frosty]

I don't see either of the two abilities on a succubus. What are you referring to?

[dspeyer]

Take a few levels in paladin of slaughter/tyranny for (un)divine grace (and then rebuke undead and smite good for more CHA-based abilities).

[Nebo_]

I don't see either of the two abilities on a succubus. What are you referring to?

My mistake, I was thinking of the Nymph.

[Frosty]

Take a few levels in paladin of slaughter/tyranny for (un)divine grace (and then rebuke undead and smite good for more CHA-based abilities).

No class levels allowed yet. I'm purely looking at existing abilities.

[Bag_of_Holding]

Cha synergy would most likely be found in Fey creatures than Outsiders, I'm afraid. As far as my memory goes, there's no creature with Outsider type (unless it's something like half-fiend nymph) with Cha synergetic ability. You could however, provided you're the DM, add such an ability to the creature and add around +1~+2 to its CR and just go on with it.

[Draken]

Actually undead are more likely to get bonuses from charisma than outsiders or fey.

Unholy Toughness (Charisma to hit points, like con)
Unholy Grace (Charisma to Saves)
Unholy... Something (Charisma to AC)

All of these work nicely for Evil Outsiders as well, I presume. But I personally wouldn't use Unholy Toughness except for undead.

All are (Ex) abilities, if you feel like asking.

EDIT: Ah, yes, Charisma to AC usually come sout as deflection bonus. No, this doesn't refer to incorporeal undead only.

[Kizara]

Aside from undead, Nympth and Verdant Prince are the only things that come to mind.

Also, the Half-Nympth template gratns you a Cha-based frightful presence type thing that is googles of cool.

[Paragon Badger]

I see what you're planning.

You could try a feat, though... I don't know it's name, but there are a number of 'switcheroo' feats that change the relevant ability for saving throws.

[Frosty]

Does anyone know of an Evil Outsider with the Change Shape special ability? Not polymorph at will and not Alternate Form, but Change Form? Change Form allows one to keep the naturla armor bonuses of its original shape.

[Reinboom]

I'm getting "Fiend of..." Vibes here, no?

[BardicDuelist]

Fey'ri is a natural outsider that has change shape (although there may be some conflicting eratta about it somewhere....).

[Bag_of_Holding]

Does anyone know of an Evil Outsider with the Change Shape special ability? Not polymorph at will and not Alternate Form, but Change Form? Change Form allows one to keep the naturla armor bonuses of its original shape.

Rakshasa or Succubus? Both of them have Change Shape (succubus with errata) and the latter has Evil subtype.

[jcsw]

The "X stat to Y bonus" thread in the Wizards' Optimization Forum is useful for this:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=320889

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Class/Feat/Race Source Bonus
RACES/TEMPLATES
Astral Stalker MM3 p12 3.5 AC/saves, 12 HD +6 LA
Dry Lich Sandstorm p155 3.5 Hit Points
Gloura Underdark p88 3.5 AC/Saves, 7 HD +2 LA
Incorporeal Sub-type MM p310 3.5 AC (list of incorporeal monsters on p5, also Ritual of Transfiguration from SS and Ghostform spell from CA)
Killoren (Destroyer Aspect) RotW p102 3.5 Cha to attack, 1/hour
Nymph MM p197 3.5 AC/Saves, 6HD +7 LA
Grimwierd MMIII p75 3.5 AC/Saves, 12HD +3 LA
Undead type MM p317 3.5 Concentration skill
Unholy Scion Heroes of Horror p156 3.5 AC (Deflection), +5 LA
CLASSES
Akodo Champion 2 Oriental Adv. p220 3.0 Saves
Arcane Duellist 2 Online AC
Battle Dancer DragMag#159/DragComp p26 AC
Blackguard 2 DMG p181 3.5 Saves
Blackguard 2 DMG p182 3.5 Attack Rolls (Smite, limited times per day)
Corrupt Avenger 3 Heroes of Horror p88 3.5 Saves
Chameleon 3 Races of Destinty p112 3.5 Attack (Smite 1/day per 3 levels)
Crusader 2 Tome of Battle p11 3.5 Cha bonus to will saves (doesn't stack with Divine Grace)
Gwenyfhar BoED p56 3.5 Saves
Defiant 2 Planar Handbook p44 3.5 Cha to saves vs divine spells
Dread Pirate 9 Complete Adv. p39 3.5 AC, Self and Allies, 1/Day
Eldeen Ranger 3 Eberon CS p74 3.5 Saves, Greensingers only
Exemplar 4 Complete Adv. p44 3.5 Concentration and Fortitude saves
Hexblade 2 Complete Warrior p5 3.5 Saves (vs Spells)
Holy Liberator 4 Complete Divine p45 3.5 Saves
Iajutsu Master 2/5 OA p41 3.0 Initiative/Damage
Justicar of Tyr 5 PGtF p65 Saves vs chaotic spells/outsiders
Knight o.t. Sacred Seal 2 Tome of Magic 3.5 AC and Reflex 1 round in 5
Marshall 1 Miniatures HB p11 3.5 (Various)
Martyred Champion 4 PGtF p184 3.5 Saves
Master of Yuirwood 9 Un. East p24 3.0 Saves
Mystic Wonderer Magic of Faerun p35 3.0 AC
Paladin PHB p42 3.5 Attack Rolls (Smite, limited times per day)
Paladin 2 PHB p42 3.5 Saves
Paladin 2 sub lvl Champions of Valour p48 AC (Replaces bonus to Saves)
Platinum Knight 5 Draconomicon p137 Save vs evil dragons
Risen Martyr 2 BoED p68 3.5 AC
Samurai 3 Complete Warrior p9 3.5 Attack and Damage for 1 attack
Shaman 5 Oriental Adv. p24 3.0 Saves
Slayer of Domiel 2 BoED p73 3.5 Saves
Soldier of Light Deities & D.gods p208 3.0 Saves
Swiftblade 2 Online 3.5 Initiative (uses primary arcane casting statistic)
Tattooed Monk 5 Complete Warrior p82 3.5 Any statistic (including charisma), limited uses/day
Walker in the Waste 10 Sandstorm p89 3.5 Hitpoints
Warmage 1/3/5 Dragonlance 5th p? AC for 1/2/3 allies within 30'
Wilder XPH p29 3.5 Touch AC (cannot exceed normal AC)
Witch Hunter OA p54 3.0 Saves
FEATS
Ascetic Mage Complete Adv. p105 3.5 AC, switches Monk/Ninja bonus from Wis to Cha
Avenging Strike Tome of Battle p28 3.5 Attack and Damage vs evil foes, 1/day/cha bonus
Battledance Dragon 297 p28 3.0 EPIC FEAT: Attack, AC, and Reflex saves
Beauty's Bounty Online 1st level Hp (replaces con)
Charming the Arrow Online Hit with bow/crossbow (replaces Dex)
Divine Might Complete Warrior p106 3.5 Damage
Divine Might, Epic Online 3.0 Damage
Divine Shield Complete Warrior p106 3.5 AC
Force of Personality Complete Adv. p109 3.5 Willpower saves (instead of Wisdom)
Mantle of Freedom Dungeon #104 Grapple, Escape Artist and Str to break bonds (+ other bonuses)
Smite Fiert Foe Frostburn p50 3.5 Cha to hit (smite attack)
Snowflake Wardance Frostburn p50 3.5 Hit
Spiritual Force Races of Eberron p113 3.5 Damage, req. Kalashtar
Unnatural Will Heroes of Horror 9124 3.5 Will saves vs fear
SPELLS/POWERS
Ruin Delver's Fortune Spell Compendium 3.5 p178 One save
Sirine's Grace Spell Compendium p191 3.5 AC
Thunder Lance Spell Compendium p220 3.5 Attack and Damage with Lance
Undersong Spell Compendium 3.5 Concentration checks (uses a perform check instead)
Whirling Blade Complete Arcane p129 3.5 Attack & Damage
EQUIPMENT
Bow of Song Magic Item Comp 3.5 p48 Hit and Damage (req. Bardic music)
Gauntlets of Heartfelt Blows Dragon #314 Damage
Hexband Magic Item Comp p122 Cha to Damage, 5 rounds/day if target suffers Hexblade curse
Larethian Protector Arms & Equipment p112 Chaxd6 Damage, uses a turn attempt
Slippers of Battledancing DMG II p272 3.5 Attack and damage, must move 10'
OTHER
Halfling Domain PGtF p87 3.5 Climb, Jump, Move Silently & Hide for 10 minutes/day
Mysticism Domain Complete Divine p140 Luck to saves for 1 round per day per level (both good and evil versions)
Ritual of Blood Players Guide to Eberron Hit Points (one time bonus, suffer -2 con)
Unholy Toughness MM III Hit Points (also in Libris Mortis, Sandstorm and most books with new undead from now on, probably)