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    Default What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    If you could have a +1 LA race for free as you wish to cr eate an Int-based character like Factotum, Wizard, Beguiler, Duskblade, etc, which race would you pick? Tiefling is the only +int character I could think of off the top of my head.

    On a side note, is there a level 4 or lower spell that can let me fly for 10 min/level or hours/level that is not Alter Self?
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    Flight of the Dragon, 4th level, from the spell compendium. 10 min/lvl, and gives you fly 100 ft. (average). If you didn't want alter self because it required growing wings, this won't help you, otherwise, hopefully it's something like what you're looking for.

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    Well, the big advantage of going Tiefling is being an Outsider. If you can get Templates instead see if you can get Fire-Souled (DR 314) for immunity to Daze and Stun for Born of Three Thunders fun.

    +Int races include:

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    Deep Imaskari (Underdark)
    Fire Elf (UA variant)
    Gray Elf (Monster Manual)
    Exiled Modron (DR 354)

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    Sharakim (Races of Destiny)
    Ghost Elf (DR 313)
    Fire Hobgoblin (UA variant)
    Tiefling (Races of Destiny)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse View Post
    Flight of the Dragon, 4th level, from the spell compendium. 10 min/lvl, and gives you fly 100 ft. (average). If you didn't want alter self because it required growing wings, this won't help you, otherwise, hopefully it's something like what you're looking for.
    Hmm, Alter Self doesn't give me the physical stats of my new form does it? If I Alter Self into a Raptoran for example, I wouldn't have 10 for my physical stats?

    Oh yeah, do you guys think Sun Elf or Gray Elf is better?
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    Quote Originally Posted by MammonAzrael View Post
    Well, the big advantage of going Tiefling is being an Outsider. If you can get Templates instead see if you can get Fire-Souled (DR 314) for immunity to Daze and Stun for Born of Three Thunders fun.

    +Int races include:

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    Deep Imaskari (Underdark)
    Fire Elf (UA variant)
    Gray Elf (Monster Manual)
    Exiled Modron (DR 354)

    +1 LA
    Sharakim (Races of Destiny)
    Ghost Elf (DR 313)
    Fire Hobgoblin (UA variant)
    Tiefling (Races of Destiny)
    Firesouled is +3 LA

    @Frosty

    Anything with only +2 to int is inferior to Gray Elf, since you lose access to Elf sub levels. Let me know if you find anything with +4 or more to Int at 1 LA, I never have.

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    Are Elf sub levels that good? Wizard is not bad I guess, being a generalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Hmm, Alter Self doesn't give me the physical stats of my new form does it? If I Alter Self into a Raptoran for example, I wouldn't have 10 for my physical stats?
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    A Gray Elf with a template is really probably your best option...
    If you are allowed dragon magazines, there's the Fire Hobgolin (+2 Int, +2 Con, +2 Dex, -2 Cha, some other small things), but really, I would still rather grab something like 'Gray Elf + Dark Template'.
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    The dark template sounds...sexy. But does it make me look "wierd" all the time or can I have a normal appearance if I want to? Hehe, I'd be a Dark Gray elf or a Dark Sun Elf. Oxymoronic character here I come!
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    What is the DR of which you speak in which the Rogue Modron race appears?
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    That'd be Dragon magazine, I believe...

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    DAMMIT! The one source I have no chance of getting my hands on at this point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Firesouled is +3 LA

    @Frosty

    Anything with only +2 to int is inferior to Gray Elf, since you lose access to Elf sub levels. Let me know if you find anything with +4 or more to Int at 1 LA, I never have.
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    Frosty, I vote for a Dark Sun Elf....would you get free psionics?

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    It looks Sun Elf isn't a choice...oh well, Gray Elf it is.
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    I don't think this race has an LA, but you may be interrested in using a Tabaxi for this: http://www.silverdragonpress.com/rpg/tabaxi_3e.html .

    EDIT: It looks too powerful for an LA 0 race due to the skill bonuses. I'd reduce them to a +2 bonus to Balance and Tumble with those 2 skills always counting as class skills.
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    The dark template sounds...sexy. But does it make me look "wierd" all the time or can I have a normal appearance if I want to? Hehe, I'd be a Dark Gray elf or a Dark Sun Elf. Oxymoronic character here I come!
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    Btw sweetrein, do you have your old avatar? I really liked it.
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    Frosty, do you think a Tabaxi would work if it was altered slightly? (Those stats seem to be for the 3rd Edition, so they may need changing a bit.)
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    The blue kitty, or catworld?
    Both really, but Catworld is cuter ^_^ Who is Phoe btw?

    Tempest: Yeah it's pretty decent for a +0 LA, but it's not too broken compared to Dwarves or Warforged.
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    Thanks for telling me. Do you think you'll use that race rather then an Elf? How are Dwarves and Warforged broken, though?
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    Warforged aren't really broken. Dwarves are the top of the line as far as LA +0 races go. Just look at how much racial abilities they get. The +2 vs spells alone is amazing. They also get +2 to an important stat (Con) and -2 in a dump stat for many characters (Cha)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Both really, but Catworld is cuter ^_^ Who is Phoe btw?

    Tempest: Yeah it's pretty decent for a +0 LA, but it's not too broken compared to Dwarves or Warforged.
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    Finally, the only other template I can find that would be decent would be the chameleon template. For 10' reach reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Warforged aren't really broken. Dwarves are the top of the line as far as LA +0 races go. Just look at how much racial abilities they get. The +2 vs spells alone is amazing. They also get +2 to an important stat (Con) and -2 in a dump stat for many characters (Cha)
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    I'd forgotten about those. Apart froma +6 to Wis and small size, what else do they have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac View Post
    I'd forgotten about those. Apart froma +6 to Wis and small size, what else do they have?
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    Thanks for telling me (I suppose the really slow ground speed makes them a liability initially, at least in places where they can't fly, but that's pretty much a non-issue once Wildshape is gained.
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    Default Re: What is best +1 LA race for Int casters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac View Post
    Thanks for telling me (I suppose the really slow ground speed makes them a liability initially, at least in places where they can't fly, but that's pretty much a non-issue once Wildshape is gained.
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    I can't find that spell anywhere online. It would solve that particular problem, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac View Post
    I can't find that spell anywhere online. It would solve that particular problem, though.
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