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Thread: Wisdom based arcane casters?
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2008-07-31, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wisdom based arcane casters?
I think the question just got lost in my other thread. Are there any Wisdom based arcane casters out there?
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2008-07-31, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have never heard of such a thing, as a rule of thumb arcane is either Cha or Int and divine is Wis with a few Cha's sprinkled about.
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2008-07-31, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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I feel there should be equality here.
Isn't the Archivist an Int-based Divine spellcaster?
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2008-07-31, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Swordsage caster variant might be, if you can find a DM who allows that.
If you can, congratulations: you win the game.
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I love it because it's funny, and it's funny because it's stupidly broken. "Look Ma! I can use Adaptive Style to cast spells all day long, as much as I want!"
The capstone of brokenness comes with Time Stop, which allows you to set up an infinite loop. You can even make Delayed Blast Fireball worthwhile since you can lay down as many as you feel like during your infinite loop of stopped time. A hundred isn't enough? How about a thousand? Ten thousand?
It's the Campaign Smasher that just never got published (that I know of).
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2008-07-31, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm... A spellcaster who derives their power by understanding the nature of magic as it flows through the universe, not as it is controlled by a god?
Sounds to me like...
Witches!
I'll see about homebrewing a Witch Wis-Arcanist class at once.
Well, no, it would take me a while.
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Re: Wisdom based arcane casters?
Shugenja are Cha based.
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Re: Wisdom based arcane casters?
I'm tryign to get a concept to make it stand out.
I was thinking, like, a spellbook. THe caster selects a smallish number from the book that they can then cast from spontaneously.
Like, suppose they had three choices for a third level spell, and they chose Dispel Magic, Suggestion, and Fly for that day.
They may only cast Dispel magic with their spell slots that day, or maybe Fly twice adn the rest are Suggestions.
Am I making sense? What do you think?
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2008-07-31, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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The problem is that you already have an Intelligence caster and a Charisma caster for the arcane side who both draw from the exact same spell list, which also happens to be the most powerful spell list in the game. If there's going to be a default Wisdom caster for the arcane side, it either needs to draw from that list, or have a different list of equivalent power level. The former option is much easier to do. If you really want the latter, take the Wu Jen class, and replace all instances of 'Intelligence' with 'Wisdom.' It's still less powerful, but at least it's trying.
Assuming the former option, I guess you could go Spirit Shaman with its casting method, so it differentiates from Sorcerer and Wizard (of course, using only Wisdom, not a Wis/Cha amalgamation). Skill set, HD, BAB, saves and weapon profs should probably either be very similar or identical to the aforementioned classes (only thing I'd change even a little would be the skill set). it probably shouldn't have very many other class features if any, as Sorcerer is virtually devoid of them and Wizard only gets a few bonus feats."Come play in the darkness with me."
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I saw a PrC once with Wis-based arcane casting, but I think it was restricted to fey. I can't remember what it was called, though.
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2008-07-31, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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This? Hmm...
"Come play in the darkness with me."
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I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
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Constitution- 17
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Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
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2008-07-31, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-07-31, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I no longer actively read the forums, and probably won't respond to any PMs. I'm fine with people using my homebrew in anything, including fan-compilations and wikis, as long as you credit me.
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2008-07-31, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, Unseelie Hunter, that's the one I was thinking of.
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Say hello to the Thaumaturge, courtesy of The Demented One! We have a Wis based arcane caster now people. Rejoice!
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Where can the Spellcasting Swoprdsage be found? know they aren't full casters, but Divine Bards are Wis-based Arcanists ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/cl...iantDivineBard ).
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I no longer actively read the forums, and probably won't respond to any PMs. I'm fine with people using my homebrew in anything, including fan-compilations and wikis, as long as you credit me.
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2008-08-02, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry about getting mixed up, Reptilius. (I forgot about their magic type changing as well). I'll see if I can find the information on that variant thanks (it sounds ill advised).
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Yup, it's under the Adaptation section, right after the unarmed swordsage variant.
@ Tempest Fennac
And unlike the unarmed SS, it's one of the most broken busted ideas ever given lip service. I'd like to think there's someway to get the idea to work with lots of fixing and adjusting, but as they suggested it...
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I suppose limiting the spell levels they have access to/encounter could help a bit while possibly limiting them to 2 (or maybe 3) schools of magic.
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