Wisdom based arcane casters?

[MammonAzrael]

I think the question just got lost in my other thread. Are there any Wisdom based arcane casters out there?

[GrandMasterMe]

I have never heard of such a thing, as a rule of thumb arcane is either Cha or Int and divine is Wis with a few Cha's sprinkled about.

[Collin152]

I feel there should be equality here.
Isn't the Archivist an Int-based Divine spellcaster?

[Kiara LeSabre]

Swordsage caster variant might be, if you can find a DM who allows that.

If you can, congratulations: you win the game.

[AstralFire]

Swordsage caster variant might be, if you can find a DM who allows that.

If you can, congratulations: you win the game.

You love that variant.

[Kiara LeSabre]

You love that variant.

I love it because it's funny, and it's funny because it's stupidly broken. "Look Ma! I can use Adaptive Style to cast spells all day long, as much as I want!"

The capstone of brokenness comes with Time Stop, which allows you to set up an infinite loop. You can even make Delayed Blast Fireball worthwhile since you can lay down as many as you feel like during your infinite loop of stopped time. A hundred isn't enough? How about a thousand? Ten thousand?

It's the Campaign Smasher that just never got published (that I know of).

[MammonAzrael]

I feel there should be equality here.
Isn't the Archivist an Int-based Divine spellcaster?

I agree. I think I hear the sound of homebrew calling, no?

And yeah, mystic swordsage ain't happening.

[AstralFire]

I love it because it's funny, and it's funny because it's stupidly broken. "Look Ma! I can use Adaptive Style to cast spells all day long, as much as I want!"

The capstone of brokenness comes with Time Stop, which allows you to set up an infinite loop. You can even make Delayed Blast Fireball worthwhile since you can lay down as many as you feel like during your infinite loop of stopped time. A hundred isn't enough? How about a thousand? Ten thousand?

It's the Campaign Smasher that just never got published (that I know of).

Well, I'm not gonna pretend it's NOT stupidly broken. I must admit I always find it amusing that the UA Swordsage is practically considered an official class and the Spellsage just doesn't exist. That was one hell of a throwaway line in the Adaptation section.

[Collin152]

I agree. I think I hear the sound of homebrew calling, no?

And yeah, mystic swordsage ain't happening. :p

Hmm... A spellcaster who derives their power by understanding the nature of magic as it flows through the universe, not as it is controlled by a god?
Sounds to me like...
Witches!
I'll see about homebrewing a Witch Wis-Arcanist class at once.
Well, no, it would take me a while.

[AstralFire]

Hmm... A spellcaster who derives their power by understanding the nature of magic as it flows through the universe, not as it is controlled by a god?
Sounds to me like...
Witches!
I'll see about homebrewing a Witch Wis-Arcanist class at once.
Well, no, it would take me a while.

You could -easily- make Shugenja an Arcane class with no changes.

[Innis Cabal]

Shugenja are Cha based.

[AstralFire]

Shugenja are Cha based.

...damnit, I forgot that.

Perhaps Exalted Arcanist could allow you to use Wis instead?

[Collin152]

You could -easily- make Shugenja an Arcane class with no changes.

But then I don't get to make anything...

[AstralFire]

But then I don't get to make anything...

In my experience, homebrew is vastly superior to shoehorning in another class, especially considering the... blech... that is Vancian casting. =p Go for it!

[Collin152]

I'm tryign to get a concept to make it stand out.
I was thinking, like, a spellbook. THe caster selects a smallish number from the book that they can then cast from spontaneously.

Like, suppose they had three choices for a third level spell, and they chose Dispel Magic, Suggestion, and Fly for that day.
They may only cast Dispel magic with their spell slots that day, or maybe Fly twice adn the rest are Suggestions.

Am I making sense? What do you think?

[Edea]

The problem is that you already have an Intelligence caster and a Charisma caster for the arcane side who both draw from the exact same spell list, which also happens to be the most powerful spell list in the game. If there's going to be a default Wisdom caster for the arcane side, it either needs to draw from that list, or have a different list of equivalent power level. The former option is much easier to do. If you really want the latter, take the Wu Jen class, and replace all instances of 'Intelligence' with 'Wisdom.' It's still less powerful, but at least it's trying.

Assuming the former option, I guess you could go Spirit Shaman with its casting method, so it differentiates from Sorcerer and Wizard (of course, using only Wisdom, not a Wis/Cha amalgamation). Skill set, HD, BAB, saves and weapon profs should probably either be very similar or identical to the aforementioned classes (only thing I'd change even a little would be the skill set). it probably shouldn't have very many other class features if any, as Sorcerer is virtually devoid of them and Wizard only gets a few bonus feats.

[Chronos]

I saw a PrC once with Wis-based arcane casting, but I think it was restricted to fey. I can't remember what it was called, though.

[Edea]

This? Hmm...

[Enlong]

Swordsage caster variant might be, if you can find a DM who allows that.

If you can, congratulations: you win the game.

Off topic, but you just made me lose The Game.

[The Demented One]

I think the question just got lost in my other thread. Are there any Wisdom based arcane casters out there?

Taking advantage of your DM's addiction to homebrewing might help. I messaged you in a bit more detail.

Off topic, but you just made me lose The Game.

Damn it!

[Chronos]

Yeah, Unseelie Hunter, that's the one I was thinking of.

[kamikasei]

I'm tryign to get a concept to make it stand out.
I was thinking, like, a spellbook. THe caster selects a smallish number from the book that they can then cast from spontaneously.

Like, suppose they had three choices for a third level spell, and they chose Dispel Magic, Suggestion, and Fly for that day.
They may only cast Dispel magic with their spell slots that day, or maybe Fly twice adn the rest are Suggestions.

Am I making sense? What do you think?

Isn't that how Spirit Shaman casting works, or close to it? Change your spells known on a daily basis, cast spontaneously?

[MammonAzrael]

Say hello to the Thaumaturge, courtesy of The Demented One! We have a Wis based arcane caster now people. Rejoice!

[Collin152]

Isn't that how Spirit Shaman casting works, or close to it? Change your spells known on a daily basis, cast spontaneously?

...Oh, yeah, I remember now! I was going to homebrew that ages ago, but then I bought Complete Divine and thought, "Dammit, my idea isn't unique any more."

[Tempest Fennac]

Where can the Spellcasting Swoprdsage be found? know they aren't full casters, but Divine Bards are Wis-based Arcanists ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/cl...iantDivineBard ).

[Reptilius]

Where can the Spellcasting Swoprdsage be found? know they aren't full casters, but Divine Bards are Wis-based Arcanists ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/cl...iantDivineBard ).

A divine bard's spells are divine spells, not arcane spells.

Sorry. That's the rub, eh?

[The Demented One]

Where can the Spellcasting Swoprdsage be found? know they aren't full casters, but Divine Bards are Wis-based Arcanists ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/cl...iantDivineBard ).

They're mentioned in the section for normal Swordsages, I think under adaptation. It's not at all a well thought-out concept.

[Tempest Fennac]

Sorry about getting mixed up, Reptilius. (I forgot about their magic type changing as well). I'll see if I can find the information on that variant thanks (it sounds ill advised).

[MammonAzrael]

They're mentioned in the section for normal Swordsages, I think under adaptation. It's not at all a well thought-out concept.

Yup, it's under the Adaptation section, right after the unarmed swordsage variant.

@ Tempest Fennac
And unlike the unarmed SS, it's one of the most broken busted ideas ever given lip service. I'd like to think there's someway to get the idea to work with lots of fixing and adjusting, but as they suggested it...

[Tempest Fennac]

I suppose limiting the spell levels they have access to/encounter could help a bit while possibly limiting them to 2 (or maybe 3) schools of magic.