Figher/ wizard builds.

[Fan]

I myself, am a HUGE fan of the fighte wizard combo, and I was planning on making one for a level 15 game, the starting wealth, and other stuff is by level, LA by off is alowed, and I was wondering whta would the best build for this be, I have considered going spellsword, or any other prestige class, and my DM said that anything is aviliable so long as it isn't a pun pun level of cheese.

[Covered In Bees]

Level 15?

Wood/Wild Elf Sorcerer 6/Swiftblade 9.

Sure, you only cast as a Sorcerer 12, but you get two standard actions around, 50% concealment that is rolled separately from, say, Greater Blink's miss chance, etc.

Alternatively, to use Wizard and take a more standard approach:

-Fighter 1/Wizard 5/Spellsword 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 3. Cast as a wizard 13, 12 BAB.

-Wizard 5/Crusader 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 9. Devoted Spirit maneuvers, wizard casting. Loses a couple more CL, though.

[Talic]

I like Fighter 1/Wizard 11/Eldritch Knight 4.

Take the Armored Caster variant from Complete mage (for fighter), so you can cast in light armor. From there, go with what works. Alternately, you can throw in more eldritch knight or even abjurant champion, for better gishy-ness.

[Covered In Bees]

I like Fighter 1/Wizard 11/Eldritch Knight 4.

Take the Armored Caster variant from Complete mage (for fighter), so you can cast in light armor. From there, go with what works. Alternately, you can throw in more eldritch knight or even abjurant champion, for better gishy-ness.

Why would you have so many levels of Wizard?

[Fan]

Perhaps he's thinking of taking intiate of the seven fold veil after he's done with abjurant champion.

[Talic]

Perhaps he's thinking of taking intiate of the seven fold veil after he's done with abjurant champion.

That's usually my preferred way to go.

[JeminiZero]

I am going to suggest something slightly different. 1 Cleric / 4 Wizard / 10 Geomancer. Grab Alternate spell source to qualify for Geomancer, and which also lets you cast all your Arcane spells as Divine spells, and to apply DMM to them. Cleric comes with heavy armor/shield and 2 domain feats (grab one with a Martial Weapon Proficiency to qualify for Abjurant Champion for your last 5 levels).

Geomancer 10 essentially lets you ignore ASF, so you can cast in heavy armor, and throw on buffs that normally incur ASF like Stone Body. It also comes with a bunch of Ex abilities, like blindsense, ferocity and flight. You only lose 1 caster level (14 at level 15), but your BAB (9 at level 15) won't be as good as the EKs (caster level 13/15, BAB 12/15).

[Falrin]

Rule 1: get as many caster LvLs as possible

Abjurant Champion is a must.

1 LvL of spellsword will fit anywhere.

Eldritch Knight is only a filler.


Handbooks: Seems a popular subject.
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[Fan]

abjurant champion is indeed, a must but right now I'm looking for something a little more broken, as my group tend to powergame, and although they are my freinds it does get quite annoying, when your reinds are playing pison/thrallherd/obscure prc, and outshine you in EVERYTHING.

[CASTLEMIKE]

I think Gish with Fighter/Wizard so since a Wiz - 15 cast 8th level spells with ASF with +7 BAB, no armor proficiency and a poor weapon profieciency selection:

Something simple like a Kobold Stalwart Battle Sorcerer - 15 with the +2 LA Phrenic Template (+ 4 Char and psi-like abilities) paid down and with the Kobold ritual casts as a Battle Sorcerer - 16 so a single known level 7 and 8 spell. Maybe a feat for Arcane Disciple or something like the Nexus method. Base +11 BAB before PRCs. PRCs can be tweaked to personal taste. Base is D8 +2 HP a level.

Ranger -1, Erudite -6 with Spells to Power variant, Slayer - 8 (Level 7 psionic powers and spells (Limited to accessing 7 powers/spells Cherry picked from all the different list each day without other feats or going +1 LA (Paid down) Dark Sun Human or other Darksun race)).

[expirement10K14]

Fighter 1/Wizard 4/Eldritch Knight 5/Abjurant Champion 5

Problem with abjurant champion is that very few spells are abjuration spells that grant an armor or shield bonus to AC, I believe there is only 4 or 5, only 1 in core. You may want to switch abjurant champion for 5 more levels eldritch knight.

[Fan]

Not, a big Fan of EK, they seem a little under powered to me, as the only thing they do is give you a slightly accellerated Bab, and a bounus feat that hinders you caster level, BIG fan of spellswords now, I just cant get ENOUGH iof that arcane channeled enervation.

[AstralFire]

IIRC:

Abjurant Champion > Jade Phoenix Mage > Swiftblade > Spellsword Dip >

Duskblade > Eldritch Knight = Battle Sorcerer > Spellsword = Enlightened Fist >

Rage Mage = Green Star Adept >

Arcane Duelist > Dragon Disciple

Not a complete list, I don't remember where Havoc Mage or Rauthmauri Battlemage place, Bard's not really part of the discussion, etc.

[Aneantir]

Wizard 6/Crusader 1(or Swordsage 1)/Jade Phoenix Mage 8. I prefer waiting that one extra Wizard level for the ability to take a level 3 maneuver from the first level of JPM.

But, if you want to be a big beat-face fighter/mage type, I'd suggest taking Battle Sorcerer as your caster class, pickup the Battle Caster feat so you can cast in medium armor, then get yourself a suit of Mithral Full Plate. For that I'd suggest a similar build to the one above if you're looking to go the martial route, or, otherwise, move into the Eldritch Knight class.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/cl...terclasses.htm
Theres a link to a page with the Battle Sorcerer variant.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

If you're going JPM, which I can't recommend highly enough, Wizard 6/Warblade 1. At level 15, you have 12th level spellcasting, 12th level initiation, and 12 BAB. Massive save bonuses as well, and a huge number of good special abilities. The only drawback is conservation of actions, in that you have too many standard actions to use.

Actually, you could go Duskblade 6/Warblade 1/JPM. That would be incredible in terms of synergy.

[AstralFire]

Duskblade doesn't gish PrC well, I'd be surprised if that was any different for a JPM.

[Covered In Bees]

If you're going JPM, which I can't recommend highly enough, Wizard 6/Warblade 1.

Trap. Taking Warblade instead of Crusader gets you no Devoted Spirit maneuvers, and JPM only advances Devoted Spirit maneuvers (so you'll be starting from scratch)--well, and Desert Wind, but who wants those.

[Rashmi]

Wizard 1/Human Paragon 3/Wizard3/Spellsword 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Ruathi Battle Mage 7 (Or Phantom Blade 7)

BAB 17
Spells 18

Special abilities 4 levels of Wizard, 0 of Fighter/Eldritch Knight, so clearly I have more cool abilities then the average build.

[AstralFire]

Trap. Taking Warblade instead of Crusader gets you no Devoted Spirit maneuvers, and JPM only advances Devoted Spirit maneuvers (so you'll be starting from scratch)--well, and Desert Wind, but who wants those.

Hey! You can't beat DW for Mook Killing Melee! >.>

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

abjurant champion is indeed, a must but right now I'm looking for something a little more broken, as my group tend to powergame, and although they are my freinds it does get quite annoying, when your reinds are playing pison/thrallherd/obscure prc, and outshine you in EVERYTHING.

Grey Elf, Fighter 2/ Wizard 4/ Spellsword 1/ Incantatrix 4/ Abjurant Champion 5/ EK 4. Check Complete Scoundrel page 151-152: the Otyugh Hole, for how to gain Iron Will absolutely free to qualify for Incantatrix. Use the Elf Wizard 1 substitution level in RotW. Use Power Attack, Leap Attack, and Arcane Strike. Use Metamagic Effect with Persistent Spell for whatever buffs you want, particularly Wraithstrike, Shield, Bladeweave, Displacement, Draconic Polymorph, Draconic Might, and eventually Superior Invisibility. Get Extraordinary Spell Aim (CV) and use it to have a Persistent Antimagic Field up at all times, which doesn't affect your character or any of your gear. Get a Starmantle Cloak (BoED) and thanks to the AMF no weapon that strikes you will be considered magical, so even creatures' natural weapons will be destroyed on impact. Be sure to take Practiced Spellcaster. Your Draconic Polymorph form should probably be that of a War Troll (MM3). Use Persistent Thunderlance with Combat Reflexes.

For Metamagic Effect you'll need a high Spellcraft check: 18 ranks + (18 +2 race +3 levels +1 age +6 enhancement) 10 Int + 2 Kn: Arcana synergy + 3 Skill Focus + 15 Insight (item costing 22,500 gp) + take 10 = 58 check result. By the time you get 8th level spells you'll be able to make the DC 60 check required to Persist them, and at level 20 when you get 9th level spells you'll be able to make the DC 63 check to Persist them, just as long as you keep max ranks in Spellcraft.

[Fan]

Thank you all so much, and I'm really surprised at the amount of respones, but i must ask WHAT is an incatrix, and what boo is it from, I have EVERY bok in 3.5, so if you could merely point that out I would be oh, so thankful.

[monty]

Thank you all so much, and I'm really surprised at the amount of respones, but i must ask WHAT is an incatrix, and what boo is it from, I have EVERY bok in 3.5, so if you could merely point that out I would be oh, so thankful.

Player's Guide to Faerun, page 61. Basically, it's a cheesy metamagic-based class.

[Covered In Bees]

Why do people pretend it's Ok to use Incantatrix?

[monty]

Why do people pretend it's Ok to use Incantatrix?

If it makes you feel better, I'm only planning on taking four levels of it in my current campaign. Besides, my build is cheesy enough even without it.

[Rashmi]

Well heck, if you want to abuse things like Incantatrix, your best Gish is just:

Wizard 5/Incantatrix 10/Whatever you want (Abjurant Champion?) 5.

You just get Divine Power and Polymorph (later use PoA, and then Shapechange)

Persist them, throw on Heroics a few times, Greater Heroism, and all the little buffs you could add (so freaking many).

Then use a combination of uber charges, Whirling Blade, and Wraithstrike Full attacks (Power attacking for full), depending on the situation.

[Covered In Bees]

If it makes you feel better, I'm only planning on taking four levels of it in my current campaign. Besides, my build is cheesy enough even without it.

Right. Only four levels. The ones that give you a crapton of free metamagic.
"Only." Yeah.


(Don't do it.)

[monty]

Right. Only four levels. The ones that give you a crapton of free metamagic.
"Only." Yeah.


(Don't do it.)

Hey, I could've taken it to ten. Or eleven, which is one better. But that would be ridiculous and not even funny.

[AstralFire]

It's not like Abjurant Champion is exactly, you know, well balanced. Not that it's in Incantatrix's league, but few things are.

[Rashmi]

It's not like Abjurant Champion is exactly, you know, well balanced. Not that it's in Incantatrix's league, but few things are.

What's imbalanced about Abjurant Champion?

Either you wait till past level 10 to take it and it's still not as good as most other PrCs, or you give up CLs to play a Gish, and it's one of the only things that makes your character not a waste of time.

[AmberVael]

What's imbalanced about Abjurant Champion?

Either you wait till past level 10 to take it and it's still not as good as most other PrCs, or you give up CLs to play a Gish, and it's one of the only things that makes your character not a waste of time.

Um...
It improves a vast majority of your buffs?
Seriously, even for a plain wizard, it's a nice class.
The increase to armor bonuses provided isn't so bad. Free extend to all of your abjuration spells is a very nice bonus- means you spend less spell slots, and also have to spend less time getting your buffs up (as you can get them going all day long- with no penalty). Also you can quicken your abjuration spells for free. Arcane boost isn't bad either- it's great for gishes though. Still, instant AC, Attack roll, Save bonus, or resistance is pretty handy. Means you have more versatility in terms of spells.

It's really the metamagic applications that Abjurant champion that make it so good.