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    Now, to get back to topic, I missed Atheist releasing a new album. While I generally don't care that much for their music*, but Tony Choy's bass playing alone will make me buy the album.
    *Although they're one of my favourite death metal bands, I just don't like death metal all that much.
    They haven't released it yet, I don't think.

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    They haven't released it yet, I don't think.
    This year. It might even be long enough for me to get information on when it will be released and actively go out and buy it (instead of watching through the dreadful sections of what is considered 'heavy' in Austria whenever I get near a shop).

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    I would like to announce that you now have a convert.

    You see, I say these guys in concert at a convention.

    I didn't listen to metal before.

    I am an addict now.

    I now understand the metalhead mentality.

    Funny thing, I slamdanced for the first time in my life at that concert, about an hour after slow dancing for the first time.

    Epic win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence View Post
    I would like to announce that you now have a convert.

    You see, I say these guys in concert at a convention.

    I didn't listen to metal before.

    I am an addict now.

    I now understand the metalhead mentality.

    Funny thing, I slamdanced for the first time in my life at that concert, about an hour after slow dancing for the first time.

    Epic win.
    Well, let me be the first to say, "welcome to the fold!"

    I'm surprised that I've never heard of Area 51 before. I checked on metalarchives (a rather handy resource), and it turned up a bunch of bands called Area 51, but none of them were the one you linked too. Are they a new group?

    If you are looking for more groups to get into, just post a list of the metal bands you like, and I'm sure someone here can come up with some good recommendations.

    edit: So I just found out that Helstar reunited in 2008...nobody told me! They aren't one of my favorite bands, but the good songs they have are quite excellent. Samples:

    Burning Star
    Rhapsody in black / Baptized in blood
    Towards the Unknown
    To sleep, perchance to scream

    It really seems like a lot of classic bands are coming back these days. I attribute this to the growing mainstream acceptance of metal and/or the massive audience-growing power of the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy Lockbox View Post
    Well, let me be the first to say, "welcome to the fold!"

    I'm surprised that I've never heard of Area 51 before. I checked on metalarchives (a rather handy resource), and it turned up a bunch of bands called Area 51, but none of them were the one you linked too. Are they a new group?
    They're local. Not really well known even within Nashville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence View Post
    They're local. Not really well known even within Nashville.
    Makes sense.

    So you say that you are now a metal addict -- what is your drug of choice, if you will?


    This is unrelated, but has anyone seen the black metal emoticon that somethingawful has on their forums? We totally need to get one of those!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy Lockbox View Post
    Well, let me be the first to say, "welcome to the fold!"

    I'm surprised that I've never heard of Area 51 before. I checked on metalarchives (a rather handy resource), and it turned up a bunch of bands called Area 51, but none of them were the one you linked too. Are they a new group?

    If you are looking for more groups to get into, just post a list of the metal bands you like, and I'm sure someone here can come up with some good recommendations.

    edit: So I just found out that Helstar reunited in 2008...nobody told me! They aren't one of my favorite bands, but the good songs they have are quite excellent. Samples:

    Burning Star
    Rhapsody in black / Baptized in blood
    Towards the Unknown
    To sleep, perchance to scream

    It really seems like a lot of classic bands are coming back these days. I attribute this to the growing mainstream acceptance of metal and/or the massive audience-growing power of the internet.
    Helstar actually already reunited in, at least, 2004 or so, I believe. A lot of it is due to the resurgence of metal popularity, and a lot is also due to the vibrant European festival scene - many a band, from moderately well-known to really obscure, will reunite for some festival, from the huge ones like Wacken to deliberately underground stuff like Keep It True, realize how much they enjoy playing together and how great the fan scenes in Germany, Greece, Italy or *insert Scandinavian country that's not Norway here* are, and stick around - they don't even have to set up much of a tour of their own if they just do ten to thirty of the countless summer festivals around, so it's convenient and very, very fun.

    And by the way, Helstar is very cool live.

    Also by the way: Just ordered my Keep It True tickets, and the DVD from Keep It True X (which could have been much better, but it does have pretty much the entire Jag Panzer gig, which is awesometastic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy Lockbox View Post
    Makes sense.

    So you say that you are now a metal addict -- what is your drug of choice, if you will?
    Ah, of course. I'm still a total metal n00b, so excuse my ignorance here.

    K, so favorite metal bands:
    Slipknot, Trivium, Disturbed, Rob Zombie (borderline metal, but hey), The Sword, and Arch Enemy.

    Favorite album would, without a doubt, be Iowa by Slipknot.

    Favorite song: People = [insert Corey Taylor's second favorite word here], off of Iowa, by Slipknot.

    You know, it's funny because I listen to pretty much everything besides rap (although I do listen to gorillaz), country, and classical. I'll listen to Slipknot, switch to Death Cab, then go back to Nine Inch Nails, then listen to Keane, then listen to some Manson, then listen to some Radiohead, and then finally equal out a little by switching between Muse, Disturbed, Weezer, and RAtM.
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    Ah, of course. I'm still a total metal n00b, so excuse my ignorance here.

    K, so favorite metal bands:
    Slipknot, Trivium, Disturbed, Rob Zombie (borderline metal, but hey), The Sword, and Arch Enemy.

    Favorite album would, without a doubt, be Iowa by Slipknot.

    Favorite song: People = [insert Corey Taylor's second favorite word here], off of Iowa, by Slipknot.

    You know, it's funny because I listen to pretty much everything besides rap (although I do listen to gorillaz), country, and classical. I'll listen to Slipknot, switch to Death Cab, then go back to Nine Inch Nails, then listen to Keane, then listen to some Manson, then listen to some Radiohead, and then finally equal out a little by switching between Muse, Disturbed, Weezer, and RAtM.
    You clearly need more metal recommendations. So lets begin.

    These are some excellent and fast metal songs:
    Painkiller by Judas Priest
    Stormrider by Iced Earth
    Raining Blood by Slayer
    Tornado of Souls by Megadeth

    These are songs that are far more relaxed, softer, and slower. Some of them might not even qualify as metal, but they are by metal bands:
    Watching Over Me by Iced Earth
    Fiddler on the Green by Demons & Wizards
    The Bards Song (In The Forest) by Blind Guardian
    A Tout Le Monde by Megadeth

    And these are just all around great songs that I didn't feel like classifying:
    Peace Sells by Megadeth
    The Wickerman by Iron Maiden
    Mirror Mirror by Blind Guardian
    Fear of the Dark by Iron Maiden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence View Post
    Ah, of course. I'm still a total metal n00b, so excuse my ignorance here.

    K, so favorite metal bands:
    Slipknot, Trivium, Disturbed, Rob Zombie (borderline metal, but hey), The Sword, and Arch Enemy.

    Favorite album would, without a doubt, be Iowa by Slipknot.

    Favorite song: People = [insert Corey Taylor's second favorite word here], off of Iowa, by Slipknot.

    You know, it's funny because I listen to pretty much everything besides rap (although I do listen to gorillaz), country, and classical. I'll listen to Slipknot, switch to Death Cab, then go back to Nine Inch Nails, then listen to Keane, then listen to some Manson, then listen to some Radiohead, and then finally equal out a little by switching between Muse, Disturbed, Weezer, and RAtM.
    Yeah, I can definately identify with people who have varied tastes. In addition to metal, this past year I've been listening to a lot of Mariachi music, Jethro Tull and Steeleye Span.

    Allright, so down to business. I would advise you to familiarize yourself with the history of the metal genre. This wikipedia article is a good start. Metal turns 40 next year, so you've got a lot of ground to cover! There are lots of subgenres (and sub-subgenres) to explore, bands to hear, history to learn, etc.

    Just for the sake of immersion, here are examples from what I consider the main 7 styles of metal (of course, this is always up for debate). Listening to these samples should give you a good idea of what each genre is all about. Give 'em a listen, figure out which ones you like and which ones you don't, look up other band from that genre using wikipedia/metalarchives.com/other sites, look up their stuff on youtube, etc. In no time flat, you'll know much more about metal than you did before you started. Plus, you'll get to hear some kickass tunes in the process!

    Heavy metal:
    "Am I Evil?", by Diamond Head
    "Hallowed be Thy Name", by Iron Maiden
    "Electric Eye", by Judas Priest
    "Witch's Dance", by Mercyful Fate
    "Princess of the Night", by Saxon

    Power Metal:
    "Under Jolly Roger", by Running Wild
    "I Will Come for You", by Virgin Steele
    "Brothers (of the past)", by Iron Savior
    "Emerald Sword", by Rhapsody of Fire
    "Mortal Sin", by Dark Moor
    "Rebellion in Dreamland", Gamma Ray

    Doom Metal:
    "Black Stone Wielder", by Candlemass
    "White Magic, Black Magic", by St. Vitus
    "Old Thunder", by Ahab
    "Commiserating the Celebration", by Cathedral
    "Psalm 9", by Trouble

    Thrash metal:
    "On the Road", by Vendetta
    "Nuclear Winter", by Sodom
    "War Ensemble", by Slayer
    "Totentanz", Coroner
    "Hit the Lights", by Metallica
    "Pleasure to Kill", by Kreator
    "Thrash till Death", by Destruction
    "Desperate Cry", by Sepultura
    "Into the Fire", by Mortal Sin

    Black Metal:
    "Towards the Pantheon", Emperor
    "Retribution - Storm of the Light's Bane", by Dissection
    "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas", by Mayhem
    "A Blaze in the Northern Sky", by Darkthrone
    "Call From the Grave", by Bathory
    "En Ring Til A Herske", Burzum
    "Hymn I: Wolf and Fear", Ulver
    "Curse of Izanagi", by Sigh
    "Danse du Sabbat / Envenom into the Witch's Hole", by Sabbat
    "Des Medecins Malades et Des Saint Sequestres", by Peste Noire
    "Heir to the Noose of Ghoul", by Leviathan

    Death Metal:
    "The Eye of Eclipse", by Therion
    "Andromeda Strain", by Nocturnus
    "Breeding Death", by Bloodbath
    "Mother Man", by Atheist
    "Leprosy", by Death
    "Nine Steps", by Decapitated
    "Zos Kia Cultus", by Behemoth
    "Maze of Torment", by Morbid Angel
    "Phobophile", by Cryptopsy
    "Fermented Offal Discharge", by Necrophagist


    --> (major sub-subtype) Melodic Death Metal:
    "Jotun", by In Flames
    "Starchild", by Wintersun
    "Overthrown", by Arsis
    "World of Lies", by At the Gates
    "Vultures", by Arch Enemy


    Folk Metal:
    "You Gaulish War", by Eluveitie
    "Ladders to Sumeria", by Melechesh
    "Among Ancestors", Turisas
    "Iron", by Ensiferum
    "Jaktens Tid", Finntroll
    "Beer Beer", by Korpiklaani

    So, obviously a lot of stuff to cover here! But you've got the time, right?

    edit: Looks like metalhead beat me to the punch while I was typing this crazy long post. But none of the songs he referenced overlapped with my list, so its all good.
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    I just spent a redicioulous amount of time going through those posts.

    I want to go out an punch someone in the face right now xD

    Metal will do that.

    Anyway, I really like power metal, heavy metal, Folk metal, and the doom metal. I'm definitely more attracted to the more "thought out" metal. The stuff that has a more logical feel, and isn't just a wall of seemingly random sound is best.

    I DO NOT like thrash metal, and can't stand those high pitched squeally singers (*cough*Painkiller*cough*), and don't really like the black metal, as it's a bit... overdone.

    BTW, I picked up System of a Down and Disturbed discographies today. Loving it. Again, not quite metal, but close enough to be appreciated by the audience.

    Thanks for the post, Decoy Lockbox, you win the internet metal award. You are a metal god. You should link to that post on your sig.

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    There is at least one gap left in this recommendationary list!

    Scottish Pirate Metal
    Alestorm ~ Nancy the Tavern Wench
    Alestorm ~ Wenches and Mead
    Alestorm ~ Leviathan

    In related news, does anyone have Black Sails at Midnight? I was hesitant to put it in the best of 09 thread due to not having heard it.
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    There is at least one gap left in this recommendationary list!

    Scottish Pirate Metal
    Alestorm ~ Nancy the Tavern Wench
    Alestorm ~ Wenches and Mead
    Alestorm ~ Leviathan

    In related news, does anyone have Black Sails at Midnight? I was hesitant to put it in the best of 09 thread due to not having heard it.
    It hasn't been released yet, wont be until the end of May- beginning of June depending on where you live.
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    It hasn't been released yet, wont be until the end of May- beginning of June depending on where you live.
    Judging by how early Leviathan was leaked ... on the Alestorm forums ... by Alestorm. I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem >.>

    EDIT: Klose reminds you that Torrents are illegal. He has never even considered a torrent for burning, blasting or downloading. Also of note is how much he looks forward to paying full price for Alestorm's Black Sails At Midnight.

    I would also like to take this opportunity to set the record straight ~ I have got the album on order, full price has been paid.
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    Guys...
    Death Angel. I just discovered them. I had never so much as heard their name before. They are everything thrash should be and more. I just bought everything by them that I could find online. They are awesome, awesome, awesome. They may not be anything new or exciting to you, but I am in utter bliss right now.
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    Yeah, Death Angel is pretty nice as thrash metal goes. Don't care much for their newer works, but I really enjoy the older albums, even if in general I listen more to the proggier thrash bands like Mekong Delta, Realm, Watchtower and such these days.

    Gonna check out the new Alestorm some day. I still remember them from back when they were still Battleheart, hadn't released anything and made the beautifully atrocious "Heavy Metal Pirates"
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    Anyway, I really like power metal, heavy metal, Folk metal, and the doom metal. I'm definitely more attracted to the more "thought out" metal. The stuff that has a more logical feel, and isn't just a wall of seemingly random sound is best.

    I DO NOT like thrash metal, and can't stand those high pitched squeally singers (*cough*Painkiller*cough*), and don't really like the black metal, as it's a bit... overdone.

    BTW, I picked up System of a Down and Disturbed discographies today. Loving it. Again, not quite metal, but close enough to be appreciated by the audience.

    Thanks for the post, Decoy Lockbox, you win the internet metal award. You are a metal god. You should link to that post on your sig.
    Thanks for the glowing endorsement. I enjoy converting people to metal, and increased exposure to the stuff is normally in order.

    I'm honestly surprised that you didn't like thrash...I got one of my buddies into metal last year, and it was his favorite. Prior to becoming a metalhead, his favorite bands were disturbed, system of a down, etc. Normally the common complaint about thrash is that after listening to enough of it, it all starts to sound the same. What exactly did you find unpleasant about it?

    As far as the "wall of seemingly random sound" you referred to (I'm guessing you were referring to death metal); its not actually random, there is a method to the madness. It just requires a bit of work on the part of the listener to fully appreciate. Death and black metal aren't very user-friendly, and are very much an acquired taste. I too hated them at first, but after awhile they started to grow on me, and now black metal is my second favorite subgenre.

    I forgot to include one of my favorite bands, since they don't really fit into any of the genres I listed (many bands do not):

    Opeth -- Bleak
    Opeth -- Deliverance

    They've got lots of great songs, but youtube didn't seem to have many of them in stock. Oh well. Make sure you listen to the whole song, because their stuff tends to switch up styles mid-song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Helms View Post
    Gonna check out the new Alestorm some day. I still remember them from back when they were still Battleheart, hadn't released anything and made the beautifully atrocious "Heavy Metal Pirates"
    Interestingly, they've re-released a number of older songs (I think) from their Battleheart days, including Heavy Metal Pirates. It's definitely worth a listen.

    Alright, not that Klose would know, from any source imaginable, but the new Alestorm is made of win and tungsten. Strangely though it keeps telling me that piracy is a crime
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    Yeah, I can definitely identify with people who have varied tastes. In addition to metal, this past year I've been listening to a lot of Mariachi music, Jethro Tull and Steeleye Span.
    YES!
    Similarly, I go from Blues, over Rock, Progressive Rock (you can see that bit in my avatar) to Jazz and Classical Music, as well as Folk Rock, Rap and similar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy Lockbox View Post
    They've got lots of great songs, but youtube didn't seem to have many of them in stock. Oh well. Make sure you listen to the whole song, because their stuff tends to switch up styles mid-song.
    Wait, doesn't Youtube have the whole Still Life album on anymore? That is quite clearly the best.
    Also, I find Death Metal incredibly ordered, it's only that it also tries to be shocking (which it isn't, really. Not if you're used to Henry Cow or similar). But it still stays neatly ordered, with clear time signatures and little jamming on the albums.

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    YES!
    Similarly, I go from Blues, over Rock, Progressive Rock (you can see that bit in my avatar) to Jazz and Classical Music, as well as Folk Rock, Rap and similar.

    Wait, doesn't Youtube have the whole Still Life album on anymore? That is quite clearly the best.
    Also, I find Death Metal incredibly ordered, it's only that it also tries to be shocking (which it isn't, really. Not if you're used to Henry Cow or similar). But it still stays neatly ordered, with clear time signatures and little jamming on the albums.
    I really wished I liked Jazz. I think I just want to like it in order to impress people, which is an absolutely terrible reason to like anything. But if I did want to develop a legitimate interest in Jazz, where would you recommend I start?

    I think everybody has their favorite Opeth songs/albums. Those two are just the first ones I thought of.

    In terms of Death Metal, I would certainly expect you (or most other seasoned metallers) to understand it, but to a neophyte like Silence, it probably sounds like so much sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    This next thing is going to be somewhat of a cross-medium post, but here it goes: for anyone here who reads Berserk (if anyone), do you know if there have been any metal concept albums/songs written about it? It seems like it would be an absolutely fertile crop for the harvesting in this regard. I could see it being done well as a complete album, by, say, Virgin Steele.
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    I really wished I liked Jazz. I think I just want to like it in order to impress people, which is an absolutely terrible reason to like anything. But if I did want to develop a legitimate interest in Jazz, where would you recommend I start?
    It really depends on what you like. You posted a few Progressive Rock bands. Do you like King Crimson? Their first four albums have obvious Jazz Rock leanings (their later ones not so much, but they're still there). Then, most of the members of Jethro Tull played in Jazz Rock outfits before forming that band, especially Martin Barre, who started out as a Jazz saxophonist.
    Another band with obvious Jazz leanings without being Jazz is Van der Graaf Generator, I think you could like them with your taste (you were the one who made me re-evaluate Sigh, after all).
    Then there's Zappa (Hot Rats in particular is great); Weather Report (hit and miss for me); Colosseum, especially CII, Jon Hiseman is one of my favourite drummers ever; then the Graham Bond Organisation, which was the band Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce played in before founding Cream, with obvious Blue and Jazz Rock leanings; also Return to Forever; Mahavishnu Orchestra and similar and of course Bill Bruford's Earthworks.
    Then there's of course such greats as Miles Davies (who has more material than anyone could swallow, also, hit and miss); John Coltrane; the Pat Metheny Group, and similar.
    And then I would advise you to try out artists that influenced bands you like, say, you like Atheist or Cynic, try out what they like.
    As you can see, I mostly got to Jazz over Prog Rock, Jazz Rock and friends who like it (my city has obvious leanings, what with having a music uni renown for its Jazzers and a lot of Jazz summers, which usually are great).

    And don't try to like it to impress others, try to get into it by stuff you like that is close to it, then gradually getting more into the direction (like I am currently doing). It's the same way as with extreme metal, unsurprisingly.

    I think everybody has their favorite Opeth songs/albums. Those two are just the first ones I thought of.
    True. However, Still Life isn't my favourite album. It's the one I can call the best since it is objectively in the top three, and I like it, which wouldn't be the case with Blackwater Park.

    In terms of Death Metal, I would certainly expect you (or most other seasoned metallers) to understand it, but to a neophyte like Silence, it probably sounds like so much sound and fury, signifying nothing.
    It is. It's just not chaotic, instead it is neatly ordered to sound as sinister or heavy as it can.

    This next thing is going to be somewhat of a cross-medium post, but here it goes: for anyone here who reads Berserk (if anyone), do you know if there have been any metal concept albums/songs written about it? It seems like it would be an absolutely fertile crop for the harvesting in this regard. I could see it being done well as a complete album, by, say, Virgin Steele.
    I have not, but I would be shocked if there wasn't any.

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    I really wished I liked Jazz. I think I just want to like it in order to impress people, which is an absolutely terrible reason to like anything. But if I did want to develop a legitimate interest in Jazz, where would you recommend I start?
    I think it works well to go on from some established metall-y stuff and work your way from there. Atheist's Samba Briza is a nice way of seeing if you could enjoy Latino Jazz. Gordian Knot is essentially Fusion played in a slightly metal-ish way by some of the guys from Cynic and others. If you think you can go for all-out fusion, try some Mahavishnu Orchestra, but it's not for everyone.
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    Ok, that I like. I like that very much. *headbangs*

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    Here's some more genres he left out

    Industrial Metal
    Don't forget the Viking Metal!

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    oh, well, Bathory has made so many good songs...

    Also, in industrial metal can we put also Fear Factory?
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    Don't forget the Viking Metal!

    Mythotyn
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    oh, well, Bathory has made so many good songs...

    Also, in industrial metal can we put also Fear Factory?
    Well If we're doing viking metal we should of course also include

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    Well If we're doing viking metal we should of course also include

    Amon Amarth, and
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    Is Viking metal really it's own genre, or does it just encompass bands from different genres who are viking themed? For example, Stormwarrior (speed/power) is definately a viking metal band, as is Amon Amarth, but they don't sound a thing alike. Is there such a thing as a "thematic genre"? This is like the argument I had with my tech-death loving friend who claimed that Mercyful Fate was a black metal band. I conceded that if you only looked at the band's theme/lyrics, you could draw that conclusion, but that "black metal" actually referred more to a band's sound than its lyrics, since there are some "black metal" bands that don't use satanic lyrics at all, but still clearly fit into the genre.

    @ jazz recommendations: Yes, I like King Crimson. I'll definately try and give all your recs a listen. Mahavishnu Orchestra is quite the interesting name for a band; I've definately heard of them before, but I don't remember what the context was.

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    Is Viking metal really it's own genre, or does it just encompass bands from different genres who are viking themed? For example, Stormwarrior (speed/power) is definately a viking metal band, as is Amon Amarth, but they don't sound a thing alike. Is there such a thing as a "thematic genre"? This is like the argument I had with my tech-death loving friend who claimed that Mercyful Fate was a black metal band. I conceded that if you only looked at the band's theme/lyrics, you could draw that conclusion, but that "black metal" actually referred more to a band's sound than its lyrics, since there are some "black metal" bands that don't use satanic lyrics at all, but still clearly fit into the genre.

    @ jazz recommendations: Yes, I like King Crimson. I'll definately try and give all your recs a listen. Mahavishnu Orchestra is quite the interesting name for a band; I've definately heard of them before, but I don't remember what the context was.

    @CSK: I don't know what I said/did, but I'm certainly glad you came around to Sigh. If only I could get more people on board...only one of my friends likes them, the rest won't give them the time of day.
    Viking metal refers to a form of Black metal which has an epic sound and lyrics about Vikings of Norse mythology. Non black metalish bands can sing about vikings and such but are not considered viking metal. Death Metal bands which sing about such things and are epic are also considered viking metal now (IE Amon Amarth)

    Also in Black metal the lyrics are very important. It has to be dark and occult/satanic lyrics are an integral part of the genre. You could sing about puppies and flowers and sound like emperor but you wouldn't be black metal. Black metal is for the most part a complete package with the look, sound, and lyrics.

    Mercyfull Fate kicks ass, and they influence Black Metal, but as they are lacking an integral part of the package they are not Black Metal.
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    Also in Black metal the lyrics are very important. It has to be dark and occult/satanic lyrics are an integral part of the genre. You could sing about puppies and flowers and sound like emperor but you wouldn't be black metal. Black metal is for the most part a complete package with the look, sound, and lyrics
    Such silly limitations are for the terminally unimaginative.
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    I'm going to have to agree with metalhead on this one. I certainly wouldn't do to sing, as Zeratul put it, about puppies and sunshine in black metal, but there are lots of stuff to talk about rather than the normal occult/satanic stuff. For example, there is an entire sub-subgenre called "pagan black metal" out there.

    Speaking of stuff that deviates from the norms of black metal, does anybody here like Sabbat? No, not the British thrashers, the Japanese band. Though their vocals, lyrics and album art are unquestionably black metal, their actual music is more thrash/NWOBHM than what would normally be considered black metal. I've always held that black metal was a diverse enough genre to include stuff, like this, but it does bring up a good question, sort of the flip side to the lyrics/music thing we were discussing earlier.
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