OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread

[Oracle_Hunter]

The only problem V has to worry about now is how to account for the disappearance of Lord Kubota. Even if the lone ninja doesn't testify (likely, since ninjas are probably not generally admissible in court ) someone is going to wonder what happened to Lord Kubota, and considering Elan's well-known feud with Lord Kubota, suspicion is likely to fall on him... and the Katos won't even be able to testify in his defense!

So either the OotS get exiled somewhere very soon on suspicion of murder (likely, and V would not object), or V has to keep killing people who notice that ey is killing people... and those plans never end well.

[afroakuma]

Not even fair how epically awesome that was.

[Starbuck_II]

Whoa. Was that a neutral or evil act? I know it's definitely not Lawful.

Totally Nuetral Evil. Was it a good idea? Sure.

Was it a morally correct act? No.

Was it awesome? Yes.

Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons can still be evil.

Note, that one act like that isn't going to push V to evil. Maybe nudge him, but he has done good in the past so I doubt it anytime soon that he will become evil.

[Rhuna_Coppermane]

Oh my. One more for the "didn't see that coming" column. I laughed out loud in appreciation, though.

[Mauve Shirt]

OH MY 12 GODS

I am so glad V did that.

[Rogue 7]

And sometimes...
You find you were playing "Chutes and Ladders" while your foe was playing TF2.

Not pretty.

I don't care about the context, that is sig'd.



Wow. Didn't see that coming.


Can't say I'm with V on this one. Perhaps I'm a bit too Lawful good for my own health, but I can't help feeling that Kubota would not walk away from this. Three witnesses, two of whom were nobles. A corpse readily accessible for "speak with dead", which I presume Durkon can use. Dead minions wearing Kubota's gear and whose names were no doubt registered somewhere. All the evidence on the ship he didn't get a chance to destroy. I somehow doubt pinning this on the minion would work.

[Dacia Brabant]

So can I get a No-Prize?

I did think there'd be more collateral damage than this though, but destroying evidence of the murder is pretty evil still.

And yes, "Disintigrate" + "Gust of Wind" = the right four words territory.

The right being: Kubota deserved it, he's a cretin and needed to die.
Right place/time: after Kubota reveals how he's going to hoodwink the justice system and prolong his criminal activities.
The wrong reasons: V killed him to move on to the main plot (read this especially those who asked for the same thing), not out of any sense of justice or desire to avenge Therkla.

V's Start of Darkness unfolds, and he's cheered for it. Awesome.

[Swordguy]

For Mr. Burlew and V:



@ alignment pedants: True Neutral means you can take evil actions on occasion.

[Rad]

LOOOOOLLL!!!!

what? V and the others will just leave the boats, end of the story. they were going to do that sooner or later anyway.

[Fanatic-Templar]

Am I the only one who sees the parallels with the previous capture of Nale, Thog and Sabine?

But really, I have a hard time faulting Vaarsuvius here. Sometimes idealism will just end up with getting struck on the other cheek.

Not that this will ever keep me from trying.

[Nevitan]

ah V, reasserting hir role as my favorite character, and its probably gonna make Roy happy that V is still on the Xykon campaign line.

[Jenx]

Ok, I'll admit I didn't really like this whole plot with Kabuta and the half-ork ninja assassin that's in love with Elan and so on, but Gods, this comic made up for all of it. Several times over!

[Ruduen]

Hoo, boy. I doubt many people are going to complain about the results, and that Gust of Wind's going to make resurrections near impossible. Still, hope V doesn't catch any backlash for doing that. I doubt that a lot of people would complain with the results, but law is really tricky there, it seems.

[Johel]

*Read the comic*
Kubota, you Magnificent Bastard !! You WILL get away with murder, you son of a toffu !! And you're bragging about it !! Poor Elan and poor Therkla, that's not fair and...

"Disentagrate" ?
*See V*

*Blank mind during 2 Veeeeeeeery long seconds.*

Oh my F*** God !!

*See V cast his wind spell*

What ? So no ressurection ? So he DID think it all over ?
It's just... Ok, now, at least, we know V is not good for sure. Not evil either, I mean it's his first really bad act (forget the explosive runes and Psychogirl, he knew it would not have killed her.)

This comic is both awesome and at the same time sooooo wrong on the morality scale. The OotS is in deep Sh** now !! Of course, they can still make a story up. Kubota was...trying to escape... right, when being binded.
Hinjo's gonna buy this one, sure

Or will he ? For the Greater Good of his people, will he accept to lie Reminder : paladins don't lie !! They ARE right so they don't NEED to lie, hey ? That's their whole philosophy : If you act according to justice, you don't have to hide the facts from justice itself. So, will Hinjo fall ?

[SPoD]

Can't say I'm with V on this one. Perhaps I'm a bit too Lawful good for my own health, but I can't help feeling that Kubota would not walk away from this. Three witnesses, two of whom were nobles. A corpse readily accessible for "speak with dead", which I presume Durkon can use. Dead minions wearing Kubota's gear and whose names were no doubt registered somewhere. All the evidence on the ship he didn't get a chance to destroy. I somehow doubt pinning this on the minion would work.

Here's the thing: I don't think V gave a rat's ass whether Kubota eventually walked or not. V executed him because the trial would take up too much time. V doesn't even know that Kubota killed Therkla, he/she just wanted the distractions to stop. That's why it can't be a Good act, even though Kubota was Evil: because he/she did it for the wrong reason.

He/she executed a man because the alternative was mildly inconvenient to him/her.

[Mauve Shirt]

This will definitely come back to bite V in the ass, but I really applaud him anyway.

Here's the thing: I don't think V gave a rat's ass whether Kubota eventually walked or not. V executed him because the trial would take up too much time. V doesn't even know that Kubota killed Therkla, he/she just wanted the distractions to stop. That's why it can't be a Good act, even though Kubota was Evil: because he/she did it for the wrong reason.

He/she executed a man because the alternative was mildly inconvenient to him/her.

Heh. "Disintegrate...Gust of Wind" = 4 words.

[SteveMB]

I can't be the only one who thinks Vaarsuvius executing a helpless man and then destroying the evidence is not a good thing.

Indeed. I think it's a clear sign that V is just plain losing it....

[Aerysil]

V took the Restore Plot Arc feat.

It made me laugh, but I also wonder WHY that happened. I almost seems a waste to have gone through all of this.

Waiting patiently...

[Tragic_Comedian]

That was just... so awesome.

But I have to wonder, was the Giant planning this all along or did he just get tired of the arc?

[Rogue 7]

Here's the thing: I don't think V gave a rat's ass whether Kubota eventually walked or not. V executed him because the trial would take up too much time. V doesn't even know that Kubota killed Therkla, he/she just wanted the distractions to stop. That's why it can't be a Good act, even though Kubota was Evil: because he/she did it for the wrong reason.

He/she executed a man because the alternative was mildly inconvenient to him/her.

Fair enough. I was just stating my moral dislike for it. I'd like to see David Argall argue that V's still Good now.

[Mauve Shirt]

On a different note, why does Kubota have more teeth than Xykon and Skele-Roy?

[MammonAzrael]

Truly the adventurer's mindset. If it's in the way of completing the quest, kill it. I quite like it.

Personally, I'm going to say this is a chaotic good act on V's part. It was clearly against the laws of Azure City, but had Kubota been taken to trial he would've tied everyone and everything up before being released to continue his plotting (Unless speak dead with Therkla was an option). And that would take away time from hunting down and stopping Xykon, the true threat. Kubota was a minor annoyance in comparison, but one that had to be dealt with to get onto stopping the world from being overtaken by evil.

And frankly, how do you think they're going to stop V? If he's down to this level of violence because people keep getting in the way of him finding Haley, Belkar, and Roy, then I doubt they really can stop him at all. Especially since they're on boats, and not equipped to hold him in a cell.

[evisiron]

(cough) wow. . .
THAT WAS AWESOME!
deep breath. . .

Seconded!

V just gained 14 ranks on the Awesome Scale.

[Huckminster]

Sometimes, +5 armor is nothing more than evidence.

Now, somebody get V some hot milk and a blankie.

[Rogue 7]

On a different note, why does Kubota have more teeth than Xykon and Skele-Roy?

Better dental hygene.

[Fingolfin]

Wow, now that was something I didn't expect. Nice one Rich.

[Njord]

I don't think V ir at all caring what are the other lords or even Hinjo are going to say.
See what he says: ... Resume Saving the World.

Attention: it is not: lets save Azure City.

Kubota, the pit fiend, Qquar, gosh even Therkla are nothing but minor things to V, and hell, I would say that right, now, at this moment, if the whole fleet of Hinjo turned against V, he would just fireball - or whatever spell - to destroy them, and : Resumo saving the world.

Time has passed. no more time for jokes, mind (or court) games. Its time to act.

And that is just too dangerous for both V and everyone else.

[Kobold-Bard]

I have never been one of those people that feels an emotional connection to fictional characters, but as soon as I saw Kubota's last panel I actually clenched my fists and cheered at the sheer awesome that was 's response to the Kubota issue. I know the Giant doesn't read the forums but bravo on encapsulating the feelings in my posts since Therkla's death in 's last line.

Truly one of the best in a while and a personal favourite of mine. Next stop, Darkcity (name?) and 's hopefully swift return to the land of the living.

Viva la Disintergrate.

[Yendor]

*splutter* What the hell was that?!

This... this is just not going to end well.

[Saph]

Just to say it again - that was awesome. :) I was so tired of listening to Kubota monologue. Did not see it coming, either.

And as V says: "Now can we PLEASE resume saving the world?"

- Saph