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2008-09-22, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Actually, going by the old saying that is integrity. At least as I was taught it.
Anyway, V was p. badass here. But I have to wonder if as many people would be cheering if Belkar had been the one to execute the helpless (but guilty) prisoner.
I don't see Hinjo prosecuting V for this. In the bonus strips of War and XP there is a line from Shojo about Hinjo needing to lose his idealism to be an effective ruler for AC. I expect this will be a step towards that.
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2008-09-22, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Did Elan change two alignments since Azure City? Since in this strip, he is clearly Chaotic Good.
Edit: ninja'd!Last edited by Lokasenna; 2008-09-22 at 08:59 PM.
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2008-09-22, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Convenient for whom?
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2008-09-22, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Heh! Classic comic humour.
V expediated the judicial process -- Kabuto was a traitor during a war. Summary execution seems pretty reasonable to me. The entire population of the city is fleeing for their lives. On boats.
Miko, or any of the paladins, would have done the same without hesitation.
And in The Real World, it's been done, during war, by every army ever.
Traitor == evil. Traitor == waste of space.
(Although as an aside: Is it murder when you kill an orc? What about a half-orc? Hmmm!)Disable signatures here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/profi...do=editoptions
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2008-09-22, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
The act could easily fall into CG territory. There is a bad guy. This bad guy has recently been elaborating about how he's going to escape trial and almost certainly kill more innocents. You know disentegrate. Therefore, the right thing to do is to kill the bad guy now before more innocents die. We don't know what V's reasoning was, exactly, except that s/he wants to go back to saving the world, however, so whether or not this is a sign of V's growing insanity is anyone's guess.
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2008-09-22, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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By the way, you're really assuming V killed him out of justice. Just seems like V felt he was a distraction and killed him out of hand.
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2008-09-22, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
So much better then an hungry shark.
Thx, V!No end of the world until March 26, 1187, 3:10 PM (#571)
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2008-09-22, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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1) has he cast any yet? If not, then yes it is evil. Just gag him
2) Yes. He is still an unarmed prisoner, and killing prisoners is clearly evil according to D&D, as it is murder
Is it evil to kill a prisoner whose abilities are in no way bound?
Kubota's threat was never physical (Therkla might disagree but meh). Kubota had just taken lethal action against V and many others. Minions count, guys.
Chaotic Good. Albeit irritable from "sleep" deprivation.
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2008-09-22, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Well that Gust of Wind was a waste of a level 2 spell, hasn't this elf ever heard of a broom?
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2008-09-22, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Here's another problem: they're going to assume Hinjo had him eliminated, and even hired the OOTS to be mercenaries. That's going to backlash on Hinjo in a big way.
This is going to leave a huge mess for Hinjo to clean up, and probably a boon Kobuto's followers, who will appoint one of his aides to take his place.
V may have just turned him into a martyr.
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2008-09-22, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, good Lord, yes!
That felt good.
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2008-09-22, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
which is based upon objective rules, your point? his actions were neutral, which can slide between two objectives
I would not class it as a good act, but V's disintegration of Kabuto certainly seems practical. Kabuto was more than a minor inconvenience; he summoned imps and unleashed ninja and demons on Hinjo's people. He then openly boasted about how he could easily abuse and manipulate the legal system to ensure that justice could not be done, and could in fact use it to make the situation even worse for the good guys.
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2008-09-22, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Let's not start quoting Yoda.
But the issue is this: it was a rash act, not practical. Things like this never happen in a vacuum. It's not like Kotaku (I know that's not his name) didn't have followers, a faction, etc.
Usually, what follows assassinations is an even worse situation. Can you name an assassination in which there was peace afterward?
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2008-09-22, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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But look at how V has been acting over the entire arc. Sure, he probably knew Kubota was a bad guy and all, but when you see the way he's been talking to his close friends, and his overall manner, I think it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't have cared about Kubota's intentions either way.
I think a problem with this is that a lot of people are looking at this backwards. You should be trying to analyze V's character through his actions, rather than trying to analyze his actions through his character.[ There was a signature here. It's gone now. ]
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2008-09-22, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-22, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
Ideally he would like to bring this to trial, but ther is only one eyewitness, who himself was out for blood just a minute ago. It is literally ones word against the other, and either way it turns out Hinjo loses a valuable ally (either through conviction or just turning them against him) in exchange for the loss of a dangerous enemy. His morals are clear here, but the situation means he can't win no matter what. That's a loss of idealism.
And you still don't know if this is exactly a good idea - the last time Zeus involved himself in human affairs, it resulted in the Trojan War. Think about it.
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2008-09-22, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #595 - The Discussion Thread
No. Nobody's going to assume Hinjo arranged it. See, Hinjo's a paladin. If he planned the assassination of a rival, you're looking at an evil act and a gross violation of the code of conduct, which means he wouldn't be a paladin anymore. So all he has to do is display paladin abilities, and everyone will know he didn't.