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2008-10-12, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why not research more spells?
Xykon as complained at least once about being able to spend only 8 hours to making magic items, which leaves him with about 16 hours of free time left, why doesn't he just create more spells, that would keep him busy for weeks!
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2008-10-12, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Because he is lazy
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2008-10-12, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because he doesn't need new spells, and making spells is work.
Alternatively, please tell me, right now, one spell that Xykon could really use that he doesn't already have, that would be worth a really long time of hard work. Keep in mind this is Xykon.But... but... You can't Wake Up Dead
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2008-10-12, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Find Small Object? (Keys, buffer, stuff he keeps losing) It may not take a long time, but he no longer needs people to tell him where stuff is.
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2008-10-12, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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You have an awful lot of good points for a pixie, Loka. I'm impressed.
In any case, I imagine it's more fun for Xykon to torment random things for information then to buckle down and work for a short while to invent a useful spell.But... but... You can't Wake Up Dead
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2008-10-12, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Because Xykon -can't-.
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2008-10-12, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Uhh....
Wow.
That's a really really good point.But... but... You can't Wake Up Dead
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2008-10-12, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Thanks! I think you're right, too. He had minions! He might not be sacrificing them (at the moment) but they make life easier for him. Especially when they die in hilarious manners.
Edit: Sorcerers can't create spells? I guess you really do learn something everyday.Last edited by Lokasenna; 2008-10-12 at 08:45 PM.
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2008-10-12, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-10-12, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Gamerlord; 2008-10-12 at 08:51 PM.
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2008-10-12, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-10-12, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Even if he could research spells, I honestly doubt that Xykon could focus on creating new spells when he could be torturing Hinjo or watching Undead Gladiators without a hefty amount of Ritalin...
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2008-10-12, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can't he do it some way? In Panel 2 of #376 he said he researched a spell. But I'm not a D&D player so I don't know how this stuff works.
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2008-10-12, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
I doubt he'd want to, even if he could; in fact,
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2008-10-12, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Sorcerers (my copy/paste thing isn't working right, so I'm paraphrasing), as the SRD says, "at each new level can pick a spell from the common 'sorcerer/wizard spell list' or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer gained some understanding of by studying."
The point is, he studied the spell so he could learn it at a new level.But... but... You can't Wake Up Dead
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2008-10-12, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
The D&D rules only allow a spellcaster [or most anyone else] to spend 8 hours in productive labor. So if he spends 8 hours in CMI, he has no time left for spell research. The other 16 hours must be in sleeping, eating, and other activities that a lich largely does not have to do. Thus Xykon's comment that for some strange reason, he has to be idle for 16 hours a day.
As to why V seems to be allowed to work 24 hours a day, see rule 0-The DM [in this case the plot] is always right.
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2008-10-12, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe V working 24 hours is inefficient, like since he doesn't do that trance thing it takes him three hours of work to equal one.
Or rule-0 is in effect like dave said.
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2008-10-13, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why not research more spells?
Epic spells still need to be researched. Even by Sorcerors. We know that Xykon has done this at least once already (Cloister). However Reseaech would count towards his 8 hour maximum. Anything else he wants to do would have to be non-magical.
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2008-10-13, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Note: In the OotS-world sorcerers can research new spells - and Xykon does even do that. Has everyone already forgotten about "Xykon's Moderatly Escapable Forcecage"?
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2008-10-13, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-10-13, 06:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorcerers can't research existing spells, they can, however, create new ones.
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2008-10-13, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, this is Xykon we're talking about. If it was plot-relevant for him to "break the rules," he'd just go ahead and do it. Then when Red Cloak pulled out a copy of the PHB and said "But it says here you can't do that" he'd just incinerate it and ask "Says where?" because that's exactly the sort of joke Rich would pull. So, yeah, he doesn't do it because he just doesn't see any reason to.
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2008-10-13, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-10-13, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-10-13, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know that the inaccurate use of the Occam's Razor is the ground of some of the most clamorous errors?
Anyway, Xykon recognize it as the component of an epic spell (or possibly, some hippie headgear you can find in your Wheaties). Celia describe the Cloister as a spell that need to be cast, and not a magic item effect. In the same page, they discuss the duration of the spell based on the caster level.
If you find it not matching your guess, read the comic.
By the way, mind that having a baby is a complex process, requiring two people of different gender, some activity, biology and a painful, potentially risky labor.
On the other hand, stork delivery is much simpler. Occam's Razor lose.Last edited by Laurentio II; 2008-10-13 at 08:13 AM.
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2008-10-13, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry Laurentio, gotta disagree on you with this one. The headband is casting Cloister, Xykon is just activating it. This can be seen since both Durokan and Xykon's 'cast' of cloister has no magical effects coming from anywhere -except- the headband.
Additionally, since Xykon is a Sorcerer and not formerly trained in magic, the chance of him being able to rediscover how to cast an epic level spell based on Durokan's notes (which he can't understand) is nearly an impossibility. Figuring out the command word of the headband seems much much more likely.Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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