Fangled Gamers

[AstralFire]

Alright, I've had it up to here with these [new] [old] 'gamers' who have these weird and [absurdly silly] [incredibly draconian] ideas about how fantasy is supposed to work. Goddamnit, pretending to be [burly men in loincloths and tentacled masses that are scary simply because the author informs you they are] [Ichigo, Goku and friends as we move faster than the speed of light yet do not accidentally destroy our home planet] is a lot more [sensible] [creative] than [My Little Pony versus Pokémon] [The Lord of the Rings Fanclub]. [Sigh, kids] [Ugh, grognards],

They're doing it wrong!

[Lord Herman]

Damn right!

[Xallace]

Wait, this still happens? I thought it was just that one guy at gaming club...

[AstralFire]

Wait, this still happens? I thought it was just that one guy at gaming club...

I still see posts one way or the other on these forums. They bother me. [xkcd link here, you know the one.]

[RagnaroksChosen]

I blame Anime... with out it we would still only be drawing on novels... or mostly novels... maybe even myths and legends.

[AstralFire]

I blame Anime... with out it we would still only be drawing on novels... or mostly novels... maybe even myths and legends.

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[AKA_Bait]

Pah! How can you [anime/mmorpg/mushforbrains kids] [old out of touch and slave to convention grognards] possibly think that [your own game should fit your own preferences]. Honestly you really should take a step back and realize that we [older and more experienced][younger and more creative] gamers know the TRUTH.

[hamlet]

I blame the post literate nature of our society.

People just aren't drawn to the same fantasy sources any more.

Used to be just about everyone playing D&D had read Three Hearts Three Lions, but nowadays it's more likely that people have read Naruto or whatever the popular Manga is today.

The culture has changed.

[streakster]

Too true, AstralFire! I blame those other people who play the game. They don't do it like I do.

[RagnaroksChosen]

heh Which is funny because i tend to relate more to the "elder" gamers who came from 2ed 1ed hackmaster... yada yada... and I'm under 25.

though i do see a lot of the people who speak of, are also into Anime and the like..

I know personally i tend to lean more tword the "Draconic" side of things.

But you have to admit Anime did change a lot of things about fantasy.

[AstralFire]

Pah! How can you [anime/mmorpg/mushforbrains kids] [old out of touch and slave to convention grognards] possibly think that [your own game should fit your own preferences]. Honestly you really should take a step back and realize that we [older and more experienced][younger and more creative] gamers know the TRUTH.

Bait, is there anywhere I can make an official nomination for you as "AstralFire's Hero in the Playground"?

[The New Bruceski]

I blame Anime... with out it we would still only be drawing on novels... or mostly novels... maybe even myths and legends.

Since there is no such thing as bad books, or absurd myths. Don't blame a genre.

[AKA_Bait]

Bait, is there anywhere I can make an official nomination for you as "AstralFire's Hero in the Playground"?

Heh. Not so far as I know. Thanks! I guess you could ask Roland...

Seriously though, don't ask Roland.

[AstralFire]

But you have to admit Anime did change a lot of things about fantasy.

It did. However, my own personal feelings on the matter have little to do with anime and more to do with 80's/90's action cartoons (as in, Western ones) and comic books.

Things change, period. I just get really tired of hearing people talk down about others who prefer something else. That is different from not liking what is preferred - I have a tendency to suppress a shudder when I see too many romanized Japanese words going around (much as I also do when I see too much TNA in a Skintight Latex Costume, or as I do when I see elves and dragons, period.) All that said, I do not, except for purposes of humor, start walking around screaming "HEY YOU NARUTO BOY SHUT UP" and "HEY YOU TWO HANDS ON THE KEYBOARD" and "YO ELVES ARE ANOREXIC AND SUCK AND SO DO LIZARDS". It's not productive, it just makes people unhappy.

Anime has been a bigger influence on me for modern fantasy than high/classic fantasy, by far.

[Raz_Fox]

Y'know, I'll take this opportunity to mention why I hate stereotypes like these. I'm a young gamer - probably younger than most of ye. I love pulling ideas out of Celtic and Norse mythology and the novels of Lloyd Alexander, J.R.R. Tolkien and Raymond E. Fiest. I've never read Three Hearts, Three Lions but if I ever find a copy at the local library I'd probably pick it up.

I hate Magna/Anime with a passion. I'm intrigued by the drawing style but the stories and characters aren't really good enough for me to pick any up. I prefer Western Fantasy.

I hate both the gold and the purple. Is there no middle ground for those who have maturity beyond their years?

Oh, and that was funny, AstralFire. I just wanted to rant for a little bit.

[RagnaroksChosen]

It did. However, my own personal feelings on the matter have little to do with anime and more to do with 80's/90's action cartoons (as in, Western ones) and comic books.

Things change, period. I just get really tired of hearing people talk down about others who prefer something else. That is different from not liking what is preferred - I have a tendency to suppress a shudder when I see too many romanized Japanese words going around (much as I also do when I see too much TNA in a Skintight Latex Costume, or as I do when I see elves and dragons, period.) All that said, I do not, except for purposes of humor, start walking around screaming "HEY YOU NARUTO BOY SHUT UP" and "HEY YOU TWO HANDS ON THE KEYBOARD" and "YO ELVES ARE ANOREXIC AND SUCK AND SO DO LIZARDS". It's not productive, it just makes people unhappy.

Anime has been a bigger influence on me for modern fantasy than high/classic fantasy, by far.

I can understand that.

I think alot of it comes from miscommunication. when people refer to a fantasy element it has so many subcategory's of fantasy, I'm Glad that Rp settings can universaly(amongs the boards that is) fit into 2-3 categories, High fantasy and low fantasy, or mid fantasy.

I think its alot of frustration to old farts who still play the game and refer to fantasy and thing of old school gaming. (aka uninfluanced by anime).

I have to agree I pull a little from Comics ususaly when a play in a more modern setting, but as far as fantasy most of my influance comes from books and the ocasional movie... like dragon heart(i know it wa a ****ty movie), lord of the rings and what not, some times even star wars or dune.

It takes a generation to die off before you'll stop hereing about it, although by then you would be complaining about all these newfangled gamers...


Man i can't wait to be Crochety old gamer.

[Nerd-o-rama]

People. I have made a shocking and horrifying realization.

Different people like different things.

And as long as we're talking about anime, people die when they are killed.

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Just so we're clear, I'm on AstralFire's side here.

[hamlet]

Since there is no such thing as bad books, or absurd myths. Don't blame a genre.

No such thing as a bad book?

You're obviously very poorly read.

[Nerd-o-rama]

In this thread: people who don't understand sarcasm.

Or Nerd-o-ramas who don't understand playing along with sarcasm, maybe.

[kamikasei]

I have never seen a thread so dense in posts where I genuinely can't tell if people are being jokingly obtuse or are genuinely missing the intent of fairly clear sarcasm.

[AKA_Bait]

Different people like different things.

No they don't. They only think they do because they haven't tried it the RIGHT WAY yet. Everyone really loves MY way.

[Attilargh]

And as long as we're talking about anime, people die when they are killed.

My life is a lie.

[Nerd-o-rama]

No they don't. They only think they do because they haven't tried it the RIGHT WAY yet. Everyone really loves MY way.

Yes, yes, Crazy Gamer Hivemind. If there's one thing the internet can agree on, it's that.

[Tsotha-lanti]

...

Priceless!

hamlet, you seriously have like +10 to save against sarcasm. (Which one is that, anyway? Wands or Petrification?)

[RagnaroksChosen]

I have never seen a thread so dense in posts where I genuinely can't tell if people are being jokingly obtuse or are genuinely missing the intent of fairly clear sarcasm.

I think its a combination of the two.

[Zeful]

No they don't. They only think they do because they haven't tried it the RIGHT WAY yet. Everyone really loves MY way.

I agree my way is the best. Simply because it's the "Shut up and play nice with each other or the tazer comes back!" way.

[Eldritch_Ent]

One of my main problem with people complaining something is "too anime" is the fact that Anime covers *WAY* more than the typical Bleach/DBZ/Naruto Shonen Action series. Saying "I hate Anime- It's all about spikey-haired swordsmen having mid-air battles, or stuff involving Naughty tentacles." is like saying "I hate old novels because they're either overly gritty sword and sorcery Conan clones, or sappy romance novels with Heaving Bodices." Neither are true. They both cover way more than just those. They have Scifi, steampunk, romance, and even experimental series. Both have lowbrow and highbrow moments, and both have some really good stuff in them if you care to look. As an avid consumer of both, I say-

People should be more open minded.

Ack, talking like that hurt my throat. Gonna get a lozenge now... Mmm, Minty Lime!

Basically, my point is Anime and Manga are just Asian cartoons and comic books. Of course they use different methods and tropes, but generalizing either is just closing yourself off from potential opportunities.

Of course, I've always been annoyed in general over people complaining about different medias, especially New Media. (TVtropes has it listed under "New Media is Evil" or something.) So take that as you will.

[Inyssius Tor]

I have never seen a thread so dense in posts where I genuinely can't tell if people are being jokingly obtuse or are genuinely missing the intent of fairly clear sarcasm.

You don't internet much, do you?

[Zeful]

One of my main problem with people complaining something is ["too anime"]["too typical"] is the fact that [Anime][Fantasy] covers *WAY* more than [the typical Bleach/DBZ/Naruto Shonen Action series][LoTR]. Saying ["I hate Anime- It's all about spikey-haired swordsmen having mid-air battles, or stuff involving Naughty tentacles."]["I hate old novels because they're either overly gritty sword and sorcery Conan clones, or sappy romance novels with Heaving Bodices."] is like saying ["I hate old novels because they're either overly gritty sword and sorcery Conan clones, or sappy romance novels with Heaving Bodices."]["I hate Anime- It's all about spikey-haired swordsmen having mid-air battles, or stuff involving Naughty tentacles."] Neither are true. They both cover way more than just those. They have Scifi, steampunk, romance, and even experimental series. Both have lowbrow and highbrow moments, and both have some really good stuff in them if you care to look. As an avid consumer of both, I say-

People should be more open minded.

I totally agree

[RagnaroksChosen]

One of my main problem with people complaining something is "too anime" is the fact that Anime covers *WAY* more than the typical Bleach/DBZ/Naruto Shonen Action series. Saying "I hate Anime- It's all about spikey-haired swordsmen having mid-air battles, or stuff involving Naughty tentacles." is like saying "I hate old novels because they're either overly gritty sword and sorcery Conan clones, or sappy romance novels with Heaving Bodices." Neither are true. They both cover way more than just those. They have Scifi, steampunk, romance, and even experimental series. Both have lowbrow and highbrow moments, and both have some really good stuff in them if you care to look. As an avid consumer of both, I say-

People should be more open minded.

Ack, talking like that hurt my throat. Gonna get a lozenge now... Mmm, Minty Lime!

Basically, my point is Anime and Manga are just Asian cartoons and comic books. Of course they use different methods and tropes, but generalizing either is just closing yourself off from potential opportunities.

Of course, I've always been annoyed in general over people complaining about different medias, especially New Media. (TVtropes has it listed under "New Media is Evil" or something.) So take that as you will.

True to that there are some amazingly well done anime and to often people clump the good anime in with the bad...

But then again when we talk in these types of forums usualy people speak in generalities or sterotypes.. (kinda the majority rules thing) or at least thats how I do..and how I notice people do. I my opinion atleast 50% of anime is crap... especialy alot of the more Popular ones. Neruto(shiver), deathnote, bleach(another shiver), etc.
Now there are exeptions to even that rule. Cowboy Bebop, Some would say Trigun, Ninja scrolls. are all popular and again in my opinion well done.

Then there are also things like Puny-Puny that jut make me cringe and i know alot of people have been turned off from anime because of that(not that specificaly but alot like it)...