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2008-10-28, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
Well, they finally finished the Beta of Prestige class.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards...ailable&page=1
Now, the changes:
Blackguard dropped possibly going to be a Base class (still being decided).
Archmage also gone.
Assasin is now non-magical.
1) Arcane archer:
She is similar to Soulknife: he can choose each day what enhancement bonuses he gives arrows (from a very small level based list).
Still Elven only.
Death arrow still sucks for DC (20 seriously?)
2) Arcane trickster: Alignment issue (why nonlawful? I never understood that even in 3.5)
Reduced Skill requirements.
New Level 10 Capstone ability.
3) Assassin:
Reduced skill requirements. Still only evil and fluff requirement of killing person.
D8 hp.
No more spells (yes, the word spells in the tale is an error)
Cap Stone ability: Death Attack without studying 3 rounds.
4) Dragon Deciple:
Reduced Skill requirements
Sorcerors must be Dragon spawn (Dragon bloodline but whatever I like my term better)
Now 7/10th Caster Progression.
No longer do you become a dragon: now you just gain Dragom abilities.
And X/day, can use polymorph SubSchool (Form of Dragon I or II respecively based on level).
5) Duelist:
Reduced skill requirement,
You gain bonus in light or no armor.
At 1st level, Precise Strike: add level to damage; but otherwise similar to 5th level 3.5 version.
Parry- Similar to Wall of Blades (ToB manuever in 3.5) mechanics to Parry attacks (attack roll as AC).
Benefits when Critical enemy.
6) Eldritch knight:
D10 HD.
Still 9/10ths Progression.
3 Bonus feats. Counts as Fighter levels for Prereqs (specialization, etc).
When you Crit: get a free spell, no provoke.
7) LoreMaster: unchanged I think.
8) Mystic Theurge:
Reduced Skill requirements
Combine spells: you can use higher level slots to cast spells from the other class's spell list. Like, Wizard can cast Divine power (cleric 4) by using a 5th level arcane spell slot as an example.
Spell Synthesis: Cast both classes spells at same time (must be same casting time). This reduces saves to them by 2 though. Limited to 1/day.
9) Pathfinder Chronicller: Bard as a Prestige class?
10) Shadow Dancer:
1/day Silent image? (WTF?). I mean yes 3.5 DMG had that but really once ever? You couldn't expand it by level?
So what do you think; is Paizo improving? Or is it random coincidence that some classes likeDragon deciple are actually useful now?
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2008-10-28, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
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2008-10-28, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
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2008-10-28, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
*crickets*
Colour me unimpressed. Reverse compatibility wins out over "reasons to care about PrCing" so far.
Will read it over tonight (AFB right now) and critique later. Who knows, I might even post it to the paizo boards.Last edited by bosssmiley; 2008-10-28 at 11:42 AM.
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2008-10-28, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
Originally Posted by Starbuck_II
The Arcane Archer still has all its crappy 1/day abilities and no spellcasting progression. I would think that if Paizo were learning, both of these would be changed.
Arcane Trickster hasn't changed in any meaningful way. It's become a bit less rigid with its spell and skill requirements, but I don't think either of those were ever a problem.
The revisions killed the Assassin. Death Attack, though its defining ability, always sorta sucked; Spells were the real draw to the class.
Paizo's Dragon Disciple is a must-have filler level for any Sorcerer gish (and there's no reason for any second-level Sorcerer to ever turn it up). Unfortunately, there's still no reason to stick around for level 2. The changes here seem very inelegant.
Duelist is no better than before; there's still nothing for it (a combat class) to do in combat beside "not die until someone makes me roll a saving throw."
Eldritch Knight's power-up might be nice, but the class's problem in Core-only games was always surviving until entry; Paizo did nothing to change that. I don't see it as any more or less appealing with the "fix" than it was before--it still doesn't have unique Gish class features, so it isn't a very desireable end of its own; it still has 9/10 casting and full BAB, so it still makes a good space-filler class for Gish characters.
Mystic Theurge didn't do anything to deal with the real difficulty it faced--entry. Something mirroring a Practiced Spellcaster-ed Ultimate Magus would have been a better fix, IMO.
Pathfinder Chronicler is a Bard with 2 extra skills, no spells and some crappy 1/week abilities. It's a horrible trade-off for anyone. (Even with its easy 2nd-level entry, Level 5 Barbarians at ECL 12 just aren't that scary.) The written Bardic Music thing is kinda neat, though.
The easy 3rd-level entry to Shadowdancer boosts the class, but seems like an ugly fix. The class still sucks, but it's really really easy to get into and take your 1-2 level dip. Still no reason to stick with it after that, though.Last edited by Temp.; 2008-10-28 at 11:54 AM.
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2008-10-28, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
After 20 levels of progression, bonus spell slots win. :\
I'm going to miss assassin spells, but the bulk of the other changes seem pretty nice. There is now a reason to be an eldritch knight.. or mystic theurge!
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2008-10-28, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paizo's Prcs finally added (basically a few of 3.5 DMGs)
Hey, Temp? Tell Paizo that.
And I'm going to have to DL this.The Cranky Gamer
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