Rules Questions

[Uthrac]

Great answers and thanks!

Q: If Elan defends against a player attack using Poorly Planned Illusion and wins . . . what happens? A draw? He can move the attacking player?

Thanks!

[BrighamJudd]

Okay here is one.

Belkar had a Loot which is three times drooled over by Elan. I knew this because he tried to use it to gain assistance from me with it. I refused it because of a couple of backstabbing events earlier. He steps into an empty room and triggers a new stack of monsters. He fails his Defense (ooo, its blue text) and is injured for the fourth time (A monster did it, I swear) and subsequently is forced to drop a random Loot and begin fleeing. He only had three Loot at the time so odds are not bad that this Loot is the one I want. He moves away immediately (this is another question, if he already moved shouldn’t he wait till his next turn to move again?).

On my (Elan’s) turn I step into the room and defeat the monsters. They drop three more Loot. Now, in which order do the Loot get dropped? Do the new Loot go on the bottom, like monster placement, or on top as the rule wording would imply. The rules also specifically state that you must take from the top Loot. Why is that? I suppose it is assumed you would not know what the Loot is so picking from the top is the easiest method. However, in this situation I know what one loot is (or might be), and at the very least I know that the one Belkar dropped is not a trap.

[Wanderlust]

(this is another question, if he already moved shouldn’t he wait till his next turn to move again?).

Now, in which order do the Loot get dropped?

At first we used to flee the dungeon imediately when you took your last wound, even if you had moved already that turn. I think somewhere in the examples it said you move right away. However, in one of the examples, it states that you would move 3 spaces towards the entrance at the start of your next turn. The way my group plays, you flee on the next turn after you hit your last wound.

As for loot, make sure you drop it in order. I can't remember if this is in the rules specifically, but it seems like so much stop refers to taking the top loot that it would matter.

I guess my answers don't really help, since they're not official. But this is the way we've been playing, and it's been a lot of fun so far.

[Wanderlust]

I also thought of a new one that came up the other day and was kind of tricky.

Q: If you use a ranged attack on another player (Haley's longbow or V's fireball, for instance), does the winner still take a piece of equipped loot from the loser, even if it's like 3 squares away?

The rules don't specify, but it seems wierd to take loot from someone three rooms away after hitting them with an arrow. We currently play so that the winner always takes one loot in a PvP battle, regardless of the range.

[Traveling_Angel]

Is it possible to get healed by Durkon while fleeing? If so, can Durkon heal himself?

[Marquoz]

I have a new (I think) rules question. My wife and I were playing tonight and couldn't figure out if magic schticks can be flipped on a turn that you rest. She's playing Durkon and wanted to Cure Assorted Wounds in addition to resting, but the section on resting doesn't mention whether non-combat schticks are flippable on resting turns.

Thanks for your help!

[The Giant]

Also, Giant, in regards to using IDKTCDT to target the Horde ability, I think the Ape gamer had said somewhere else in the FAQ or on this board that if you removed the horde ability after monsters were down, the players that played the last monsters would retrieve their cards from the battle stack until the size is appropriate. Is there a particular spirit or ruling to this question you think we should play by?

See, that's why I was supposed to wait to talk to him first. :P

Well, that's news to me. I don't really care for the idea of picking cards back up and putting them back into your hand. But it doesn't really matter either way, as long as your group picks a method and sticks with it. Chances are, Apegamer's answer is the right one that will get into the FAQ.

Q: If Elan defends against a player attack using Poorly Planned Illusion and wins . . . what happens? A draw? He can move the attacking player?

Poorly Planned Illusion specifies that it targets Monsters; it cannot be used against another player at all.

Belkar had a Loot which is three times drooled over by Elan. I knew this because he tried to use it to gain assistance from me with it. I refused it because of a couple of backstabbing events earlier. He steps into an empty room and triggers a new stack of monsters. He fails his Defense (ooo, its blue text) and is injured for the fourth time (A monster did it, I swear) and subsequently is forced to drop a random Loot and begin fleeing. He only had three Loot at the time so odds are not bad that this Loot is the one I want. He moves away immediately (this is another question, if he already moved shouldn’t he wait till his next turn to move again?).

On my (Elan’s) turn I step into the room and defeat the monsters. They drop three more Loot. Now, in which order do the Loot get dropped? Do the new Loot go on the bottom, like monster placement, or on top as the rule wording would imply. The rules also specifically state that you must take from the top Loot. Why is that? I suppose it is assumed you would not know what the Loot is so picking from the top is the easiest method. However, in this situation I know what one loot is (or might be), and at the very least I know that the one Belkar dropped is not a trap.

No, the new Loot goes on the top of the pile, exactly as the rules imply. Why? Because we specifically did NOT want players "counting cards" like that to draw a Loot card from the middle or bottom of a stack. We had to pick one way to do it, and that was it. And it's easier to draw off the top than the bottom, by a lot.

Q: If you use a ranged attack on another player (Haley's longbow or V's fireball, for instance), does the winner still take a piece of equipped loot from the loser, even if it's like 3 squares away?

Yup, Range has no effect. Whoops, turns out page 25 clearly spells out that you must be at Range 0 to steal Loot from another player. My mistake.

Is it possible to get healed by Durkon while fleeing? If so, can Durkon heal himself?

Page 19 states that you "cannot be healed until you exit the dungeon". That includes Durkon's shticks.

[seoman]

V uses Blackwing to retrieve a loot from range. That loot is a trap. Is the trap triggered in the room the loot was in (I think he's requesting morphine), or V's room (What is he carrying... Expeditious Retreat!)?

[Wanderlust]

V uses Blackwing to retrieve a loot from range. That loot is a trap. Is the trap triggered in the room the loot was in (I think he's requesting morphine), or V's room (What is he carrying... Expeditious Retreat!)?

We came accross this same situation. Not sure what the answer is, but we had the trap trigger on V as if blackwing brought the loot back to his room.

Another question regarding V's fireball:

If you fireball into a room with one monster and another player, you have to target the player, right? Our confusion was that if so, it seems like you're having a player vs monster and player vs player battle at the same time. Is this okay?

[Fujin]

Another question regarding V's fireball:

If you fireball into a room with one monster and another player, you have to target the player, right? Our confusion was that if so, it seems like you're having a player vs monster and player vs player battle at the same time. Is this okay?

Like Elan's Poorly Planned Illusion, V's Fireball specifies that it targets monsters, so you can't hit a player with it. :(

[The Giant]

V uses Blackwing to retrieve a loot from range. That loot is a trap. Is the trap triggered in the room the loot was in (I think he's requesting morphine), or V's room (What is he carrying... Expeditious Retreat!)?

The trap triggers in the room in which it is revealed, as normal. If V and all other players are outside of the trap's Range, then it has no effect.

If you fireball into a room with one monster and another player, you have to target the player, right? Our confusion was that if so, it seems like you're having a player vs monster and player vs player battle at the same time. Is this okay?

The first bullet point under "Area Effect Shticks" on page 18 states that they may not be used in player vs. player battles. This is reinforced on the card by stating that it targets Monsters. If you fireball into a room with players and monsters, you are always attacking the Monsters. The players are unaffected.

[Wanderlust]

Like Elan's Poorly Planned Illusion, V's Fireball specifies that it targets monsters, so you can't hit a player with it. :(

Aha, that explains it. Thank you.

[Marquoz]

Dang it, Giant, you've missed my question twice now :). I'll repeat it here for your convenience:

I have a new (I think) rules question. My wife and I were playing tonight and couldn't figure out if magic schticks can be flipped on a turn that you rest. She's playing Durkon and wanted to Cure Assorted Wounds in addition to resting, but the section on resting doesn't mention whether non-combat schticks are flippable on resting turns.

Thanks for your help!

[Wanderlust]

Q: If you use a ranged attack on another player (Haley's longbow or V's fireball, for instance), does the winner still take a piece of equipped loot from the loser, even if it's like 3 squares away?

The rules don't specify, but it seems wierd to take loot from someone three rooms away after hitting them with an arrow. We currently play so that the winner always takes one loot in a PvP battle, regardless of the range.

After reading through the rules again, it says under the Loot section that you may steal an equipped loot from a player after beating them in battle if at range = 0. I swear I'm not trying to contradict anyone's answers (Giant) regarding rules questions, as it still seems it could go both ways. However, in that particular paragraph it specifically states only if Range = 0, where as in the Player Vs. Player section of the rules it only says take one loot from the losing player, not specifying range at all.

Sorry to be picky, I just want to make sure we're playing with your original intentions in mind. Still loving the game.

[Fujin]

Dang it, Giant, you've missed my question twice now :). I'll repeat it here for your convenience:

I have a new (I think) rules question. My wife and I were playing tonight and couldn't figure out if magic schticks can be flipped on a turn that you rest. She's playing Durkon and wanted to Cure Assorted Wounds in addition to resting, but the section on resting doesn't mention whether non-combat schticks are flippable on resting turns.

Thanks for your help!

I don't think there is a rule on this, but this is the house rule my group uses:

You may flip a schtick before you rest, including the turn you rest, but not during the turn while you are resting. The intent of resting is that you are asleep, and thus cannot take any actions. However, since flipping a schtick does not take an action of your turn, you are allowed to do it before resting.

[The Giant]

(Ignore this, a glitch is making certain posts at the top of new pages disappear...)

[The Giant]

I have a new (I think) rules question. My wife and I were playing tonight and couldn't figure out if magic schticks can be flipped on a turn that you rest. She's playing Durkon and wanted to Cure Assorted Wounds in addition to resting, but the section on resting doesn't mention whether non-combat schticks are flippable on resting turns.

You can flip non-Battle shticks at any time, unless the shtick itself has a limit printed on it. Thus, Durkon can flip Cure Assorted Wounds while resting.

After reading through the rules again, it says under the Loot section that you may steal an equipped loot from a player after beating them in battle if at range = 0. I swear I'm not trying to contradict anyone's answers (Giant) regarding rules questions, as it still seems it could go both ways. However, in that particular paragraph it specifically states only if Range = 0, where as in the Player Vs. Player section of the rules it only says take one loot from the losing player, not specifying range at all.

Damn it. You know, I actually thought that WAS the rule, and then I looked up the secion in the rulebook and thought we had left it out. Then yeah, if it made it into the rulebook, then it should only be at Range 0. I'll change my answer above.

[Kumquat]

here are two questions that came up that we wanted to make sure about.

One: can Haley or Roy use the Party Leader Veto to force someone to use a shtick (this came up when Haley wanted to force Elan to do some wacky hijinks, as opposed to just flipping it so he could not use it) or can you only flip a shtick so the person can't use it?

two: For Elan's bard songs, does the person get one bonus overall for the roll, or, is the bard song bonus for each individual loot card given to Elan, or is it the unlikely situation of the bard song bonus is given for each drool factor?

For example, Belkar offers Elan 2 loot, one with a drool factor of one, and one with a drool factor of 2 (The Sorcerer's Fruit Pie with one Elan Icon and the book of Dwarven Sea Chanties with 2 Elan icons for example) while Elan has 3 bard songs out, does belkar get a +9 (+6 for the drooling, and +3 for the bard song) a +12 (plus 5 for the pie, and plus 7 for the chanties) or a huge +15 (+5 for each drool icon)?

Those were the only things we could question so far.
Also, thank you for the game as it is quite fun, and we have enjoyed playing it.

[Valanthe]

First off, love the Adventure game. Played it at GenCon, and then pre-ordered it as soon as I had my laptop in my hands. I was pleased as punch when I got it, and my local group played it as soon as we were able.

As could be expected, a couple of questions came up. The first is about Haley's "Swipe" Schtick. If you use this Schtick on a monster, and successfully swipe a loot from underneath it, can you continue to attack/defend as if you had actually killed the monster?

Secondly, in a less-than-six-player game, say you're in the following situation: You're Roy, and you're on the third level. The other players are on levels one or two (ergo, the NPC PCs are on the same level as Roy). How should the "you can't give loot drooled over a player to an NPC PC" rule be handled in this situation? We played it that it went to the NPC PC, as there was no way to give it to a player (what with them being on a different level, and all).

Thanks for answering questions, and for creating such a great game! :)

[Fujin]

here are two questions that came up that we wanted to make sure about.

One: can Haley or Roy use the Party Leader Veto to force someone to use a shtick (this came up when Haley wanted to force Elan to do some wacky hijinks, as opposed to just flipping it so he could not use it) or can you only flip a shtick so the person can't use it?

You can't force them to use it, but my group does allow you to ask them to use it with a party leader veto :P. If they refuse, the schtick flips with no effect.

two: For Elan's bard songs, does the person get one bonus overall for the roll, or, is the bard song bonus for each individual loot card given to Elan, or is it the unlikely situation of the bard song bonus is given for each drool factor?

It is per combat, Elan can't "sing harder" for more loot (heck, you'd have to bribe Elan NOT to sing as loudly, not the other way around!)

As could be expected, a couple of questions came up. The first is about Haley's "Swipe" Schtick. If you use this Schtick on a monster, and successfully swipe a loot from underneath it, can you continue to attack/defend as if you had actually killed the monster?

No idea on this one... we haven't had anyone play Haley yet, good question though!

Secondly, in a less-than-six-player game, say you're in the following situation: You're Roy, and you're on the third level. The other players are on levels one or two (ergo, the NPC PCs are on the same level as Roy). How should the "you can't give loot drooled over a player to an NPC PC" rule be handled in this situation? We played it that it went to the NPC PC, as there was no way to give it to a player (what with them being on a different level, and all).

Thats not how we did it. The PC-NPC rule applies regardless of where the characters are. If you can't give something to Durkon because Belkar is a player, the fact that Belkar is on another level doesn't matter.

The intention of this rule is to make it harder to remove loot from the game (by giving it to NPCs), if you have to wait for Belkar to come down, you have to wait :).

Thanks for answering questions, and for creating such a great game! :)[/quote]

[CherryTree]

This thread has been super-informative. Here's a question that's come up for us in playing that we haven't fully resolved yet...

when you are playing monsters, and you play your *last* monster, but still have "screw this!" cards in your hand, do you discard those cards immediately & draw a new battle deck b/c you have no more monsters, or do you wait until you are called upon to play a monster and then draw new cards?

CT

[Wanderlust]

This thread has been super-informative. Here's a question that's come up for us in playing that we haven't fully resolved yet...

when you are playing monsters, and you play your *last* monster, but still have "screw this!" cards in your hand, do you discard those cards immediately & draw a new battle deck b/c you have no more monsters, or do you wait until you are called upon to play a monster and then draw new cards?

CT

You wait until you are called up to play a monster. You can stay with only Screw This cards or even no hand for quite a while sometimes, if your opponent isn't moving into empty rooms. I've come to play my Screw This cards at any opportunity I can, even if it's not the perfect moment for it. Better play it than discard it, I say.

[caestepp]

...when you are playing monsters, and you play your *last* monster, but still have "screw this!" cards in your hand, do you discard those cards immediately & draw a new battle deck b/c you have no more monsters, or do you wait until you are called upon to play a monster and then draw new cards?

You should always wait until you are called upon to play a monster card before discarding any unused Screw This! cards and drawing a new battle hand.

All of the details of managing your Battle Hand can be found on page 11 of the Full Rulebook. Look in the section called "Playing Monsters" and also in the section with the black background right above it called "Your Battle Hand".

[CherryTree]

Ooh, thanks-- most helpful w/ the page references. I felt like I'd flipped through the rule book a thousand times already in trying to play and somehow the playing monsters/battle hand procedures never sunk in. Thanks for the quick replies!

CT

[caestepp]

As could be expected, a couple of questions came up. The first is about Haley's "Swipe" Schtick. If you use this Schtick on a monster, and successfully swipe a loot from underneath it, can you continue to attack/defend as if you had actually killed the monster?

Swipe was intended to provide Haley with a thematically appropriate alternative to direct combat. Since Swipe doesn't actually defeat the monster (ie. remove it from the encounter), Haley cannot continue on to attack/defend the next monster in the stack.

Secondly, in a less-than-six-player game, say you're in the following situation: You're Roy, and you're on the third level. The other players are on levels one or two (ergo, the NPC PCs are on the same level as Roy). How should the "you can't give loot drooled over a player to an NPC PC" rule be handled in this situation? We played it that it went to the NPC PC, as there was no way to give it to a player (what with them being on a different level, and all).

This is covered in the section "NPC Players" on page 13 in the Full Rulebook. You cannot offer loot to NPCs for assistance in battle if the loot has any of the PCs faces on it. It doesn't matter if the PC whose face is on the loot is currently on a different level of the dungeon. Because loot plays such an essential role to the victory condition and other parts of the gameplay, the rules were designed to prevent players from discarding the other player's loot faces by giving loot to NPCs.

[Gamer5389]

Was there an offical answer to the question of flee movement if you receive the final wound on your turn after you have moved?

[Amnistar]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one, but I'm asking anyway, just in case:

If you empty your hand completely by playing a monster or screw this card, do you wait till you're called upon to play a monster before you draw again?

Other questions

I still have to wonder about Haley's swipe ability. You see, the rules read: "If you won the battle and there are additional monsters in the same room, you may choose to battle the next Monster in the Battle Stack" It seems to me that any even in which you don't draw is considered a win, ergo Haley can steal multiple times...as long as there is loot. In fact, Haley could, feasably, attack and kill the top monster, swipe it's treasure, then kill the next one, swiping its treasure, etc.


Another question: May you make a ranged attack into a room with both monsters in players and attack the player? And, if you kill all the monsters may you continue and attack the player?

Thanks bunches

[Fujin]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one, but I'm asking anyway, just in case:

If you empty your hand completely by playing a monster or screw this card, do you wait till you're called upon to play a monster before you draw again?

You never draw a new hand unless you are required to play a monster and can't.

Other questions

I still have to wonder about Haley's swipe ability. You see, the rules read: "If you won the battle and there are additional monsters in the same room, you may choose to battle the next Monster in the Battle Stack" It seems to me that any even in which you don't draw is considered a win, ergo Haley can steal multiple times...as long as there is loot. In fact, Haley could, feasably, attack and kill the top monster, swipe it's treasure, then kill the next one, swiping its treasure, etc.

This was answered two posts above yours :P

"Swipe was intended to provide Haley with a thematically appropriate alternative to direct combat. Since Swipe doesn't actually defeat the monster (ie. remove it from the encounter), Haley cannot continue on to attack/defend the next monster in the stack."

Another question: May you make a ranged attack into a room with both monsters in players and attack the player? And, if you kill all the monsters may you continue and attack the player?

Thanks bunches

You can never make more than one ranged attack per turn, the only time you can continue fighting after an attack is if you are in the same room as the monsters. And no, you can either attack a player or attack the monsters, not both.

[Amnistar]

*blinks at himself* Woah amni....stupid question at the end there :p.

As for Haley's swipe ability, I am then curious if a successful swipe attempt from haley against a player results in 2 loot being stolen? 1 for the swipe ability, and 1 for winning the fight?

[caestepp]

*blinks at himself* Woah amni....stupid question at the end there :p.

As for Haley's swipe ability, I am then curious if a successful swipe attempt from haley against a player results in 2 loot being stolen? 1 for the swipe ability, and 1 for winning the fight?

Swipe is a battle shtick and therefore qualifies for the benefits associated with PvP combat. Therefore you would get 2 loots (1 for the successful Swipe, and 1 for the PvP victory). This post was initially incorrect and was modified thanks to feedback from Fujin.