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2008-11-12, 11:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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This might be a silly question, but...
Do classes like Mystic Theurge and Fochlucan Lyrist that grant you +1 spellcasting class give you higher level spells as well? If I am a Wiz 5/Clr 5/Mystic Theurge 4, my caster levels are Wizard 9 and Cleric 9, correct? Does that mean that I have access to 5th level arcane and 5th level divine spells, or do I just have a crapton of 3rd and lower level spells for each?
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2008-11-12, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
I believe so however I'm not the most experienced one, but I'm sure thats how it works.
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2008-11-12, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
You do indeed gain new spells.
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2008-11-12, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-12, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
Last edited by Fax Celestis; 2008-11-12 at 11:43 PM.
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2008-11-12, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
I was talking about MT, so I will talk to him about that. I thought to myself that it sounded like a whole lot of gimpy levels too. Does Dragon Disciple work this way as well?
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2008-11-12, 11:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
No. Dragon Disciple explicitly states it only gives you bonus slots on levels you already have. Also, see my edit above.
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2008-11-12, 11:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
Alright, thanks for the help.
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2008-11-13, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
The main problem is that the DM is being strictly literal. The Mystic Theurge ability states "Spells Per Day", and not Spells Known. For some classes (eg Cleric, Druid) this distinction is trivial. They have the slot, pray for the spell and get it. Badda bing.
However Wizards have to research their spells; by the strictest reading, they only get their two free spells by leveling in Wizard. Also by the strict reading, Bards and Sorcerors don't advance on their "Spells Known" chart.
It's an extreme reading, but justifiable. Just throwing that out there.
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2008-11-13, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
I think that may be a misprint, or they were deliberately trying to gimp spontaneous casters. Archmage, for example, explicitly states that it advances spells known.
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2008-11-13, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
Wizards gain spells through their Spellbook feature not their Spellcasting feature (like core divine casters), and therefore don't gain those additional spells unless they level in Wizard specifically, as no Spellcasting PRC advances the Spellbook class feature (except Geometer I think). They all use the Spellcasting (or is it spells?) class feature.
As for the Spells known issue. That's exactly how those classes were intended to be written, no ettara exists and most spellcasting PRCs I've seen (which don't extend far beyond core) don't include the Spells known addendum.Last edited by Zeful; 2008-11-13 at 12:17 PM.
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2008-11-13, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
All that means is that the Wizard doesn't get the two spells free, not that they can't get them period. Which is really not all that much of a gimp.
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2008-11-13, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except scrolls for high-level spells are expensive. An argument can be made that high-level wizards are so powerful that forcing them to use some of their WBL to buy new spells would be an equalizer, but it's still a gimp, esp when they have to buy scrolls for spells they would get free as well as scrolls for spells they just want.
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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2008-11-13, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-13, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2008-11-13, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-14, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
Which was my point, really. The Mystic Theurge does not have an explicit advancement for spells known. Even in the text you quoted ("adds the level of mystic theurge... then determines spells per day and caster level accordingly"), Spells Known is left out. For Sorcerors/Bards, that's crippling (to the point of unplayability at higher levels). At least Wizards can get scrolls and spellbooks.
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2008-11-14, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
I'll beg to differ. My scout/warmage is fast turning into a melee monster thanks to her levels in brass DD. Now she can skirmish up to people and BREATH WEAPON IN YOUR FACE, then smack them upside the head with a Chill Touch, then skirmish away and unload a couple of flaming crossbow bolts while they're still numb from the cold. All while protected from harm by those nifty natural armor bonuses.
And she's shiny. ^_^
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2008-11-14, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-14, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-14, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This might be a silly question, but...
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2008-11-14, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-11-14, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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