Need help with epic ECL

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

I am currently in the process of wanting to make a few epic level monster classes, much like my semi-famed Balor. As with that, I had to get help figuring out the ECL of that and of the Solar and Pit Fiend because determining the level adjustment of monsters I did not create(especially ones of higher HD) is something I am terrible at. So, good people of the playground, my unholy spawn, please aid me in determining the ECL of the following creatures.

Nightwalker
Marut
Planetar

And the ones I want the most dearly are,
Daelkyr
Aspects of all nine lords of Baator(from the FC2)
and finally the Aspects of demon princes(ses)(from the FC1)
Even if the book says they are not aspects, it's how I see them myself. Anyway, carry on.

[afroakuma]

I checked an older Dragon article, which gave me these:

Planetar ECL 28
Nightwalker ECL 30

Granted, these were for 3.0, so they'll be off a bit. Still, it's a start.

[bosssmiley]

ECL = CR+1 (+ additional levels for the invisible [awesome] type). Because LA'ed ECL is a badly thought-out mess that makes a mockery of the CR system.

Or you might want to look at Frank & K's Outsider racial levels, which can give you almost any Outsider in the MMs with the right ability and SLA picks.

DiceFreaks "Gates of Hell" and "Horrors of the Abyss" should also be worth a look if you're wanting to stat out the Infernal/Abyssal hierarchies.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

I started making the nightwalker and so far... it seems quite weak. I'm thinking an ECL of 30 is a bit high. If not for any other reason than because undead HD are horrible. The one I'm most obsessed with now is probably the daelkyr, though.

Edit: Actually, looking it over, it seems to me that with it's HD, an LA of somewhere between 4 and 6 seems appropriate. For the daelkyr that is. The sudden boost of power epic levels tend to have(if you do it right), the normal LA rules probably shouldn't apply, or at the very least just have a huge drop-off.