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    :Belkar: : Well, looks like we got here just in the nick of time, what's that make us Celia.
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    I've been refreshing off and on all week for this, and I just happened to catch it as it was posted. Well worth the wait.

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    The good guys must always win!

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    "Wow, it's almost like I'm a seasoned warrior and you two are glorified pickpockets! Imagine that!"

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    Man, Belkar's really making up for lost time here, isn't he?

    Not only does he save the day, but he gets in a good quip at the expense of BOTH the thieves AND Haley!

    Celia better find Haley a potion so she can keep up with all the witticisms here!

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    Thanks a lot, Rich. Now I can't get Bonnie Tyler out of my head. You bastard.

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    *sniff*
    I missed Belkar so very much. All the comics lately make his phrase "I'm the only funny thing left in this damn comic strip" so valid.
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    Guess this means Belkar for sure has FIVE levels in Barbarian for Improved Uncanny Dodge? He was attacked by both rogues from opposite directions, meaning he was flanked.

    Damn, he must be a very high level PC by now. I'd estimate 16-17 at least.... WOW. If the Order catches up with him they'll give Xykon a run for his money when the time comes.

    Alternatively, both Crystal and Bozzak missed with their sneak attacks - which seems doubtful since they didn't declare them.

    If Belkar really is that high in levels Bozzak and Crystal really need to start feinting. They don't stand a chance toe to toe with such a high level melee class for long, poor build or not.

    However, with Belkar's pathetic Wisdom score and a rogue's high bluff score, feints should be a guaranteed success. A few well placed bastard sword sneak attacks SHOULD bring Belkar down before he kicks their asses..

    But no one in the comic has tried a feint yet.. its an extremely useful but unloved combat mechanic

    Aside #1: Cool comic. The rules have seem unusually fudged lately though. Nice to see Bozzak be smart enough to at least attempt a coup de grace.

    Aside #2: Celia is STRONG to be able to lift Haley like that. I thought the sylph template had very poor strength?
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    Wow.

    Hero time for the Belkster. Hope everyone gets out of this okay. Well, with the exception of the Thieves guild, of course.
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    Darn it, I don't want Bozzok and Crystal to lose.....

    I don't want Belkar to lose either........

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    Mmmm. Seasoning.

    Man that comic made me hungry. I shall have to go eat some pickles and onions.

    Also, just because he is evil does not mean he isn't one of the good guys. Belkar has just stolen the bucket.

    Also, there is little more evil, in my mind, than rubbing people's faces in how they have failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmy View Post
    Guess this means Belkar for sure has FIVE levels in Barbarian for Improved Uncanny Dodge? He was attacked by both rogues from opposite directions, meaning he was flanked.

    Damn, he must be a very high level PC by now. I'd estimate 16-17 at least.... WOW. If the Order catches up with him they'll give Xykon a run for his money when the time comes.

    Alternatively, both Crystal and Bozzak missed with their sneak attacks - which seems doubtful since they didn't declare them.

    If Belkar really is that high in levels Bozzak and Crystal really need to start feinting. They don't stand a chance toe to toe with such a high level melee class for long, poor build or not.

    However, with Belkar's pathetic Wisdom score and a rogue's high bluff score, feints should be a guaranteed success. A few well placed bastard sword sneak attacks SHOULD bring Belkar down before he kicks their asses..

    But no one in the comic has tried a feint yet.. its an extremely useful but unloved combat mechanic
    He got sneak attacked by the lower level regues in the first battle so no Improved Uncanny Dodge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post
    He got sneak attacked by the lower level regues in the first battle so no Improved Uncanny Dodge.
    Unless.. he gained a level from killing those cannon fodder that put him over the edge off comic..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmy View Post
    ...Alternatively, both Crystal and Bozzak missed with their sneak attacks - which seems doubtful since they didn't declare them....
    I think that's what happened, since Belkar did get Sneak Attacked in the basement, by considerably lower-level characters, I think Bozzok and Crystal simply rolled low (possibly natural ones) on their attack rolls (though, at least in Bozzok's case, he may have missed by a small enough margin that the shield did make a difference. As for not declaring a sneak attack, I think it was left out because it'd probably be needless clutter. Besides, you don't always have to declare it.

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    Hm. Not only is Belkar learning to fake goodness, he's also learned to fight tactically, going sword and board when outnumbered by ~equal level foes rather than all-out offense.

    And there's no way Belkar can be using Improved Uncanny Dodge to negate flanking against rogues of this high a level. Not when they could sneak attack Haley, a single-classed rogue. The bad guys are just missing.
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    My guess is that the shield he picked up, was rather well enchanted (since its from someone ~4 levels higher), and he stacked defensive stance on top of that (he seemed to be mainly parrying after the 1st attack), so that the rogues couldn't hit him.

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    Go, Belkster, Go!

    I don't mind Crystal as a re-curring villain, but Bozzok's gotta go down for good. Get 'im Belkar.

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    Yes! The Belkster saves the day!

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    Geez, you guys with your rules discussions.

    Let's keep in mind that Rich doesn't play strictly by D&D conventions when it comes to the story. Belkar most likely dodged their attacks because of the Rule of Cool.

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    Go Belkar! ~grins~

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    The only reason I read the reaction thread is to see how the rules may or may not explain what just happened. Keep up the god work guys.
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    *Goes back to the kitchen and makes Belkar a sammich*
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    that was good. i dont think it was up to the same level as the last two, but it was still good

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    Fantastic! She lives!

    C'mon Belkar, pull through for the team!

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    Good comic. Past couple have been great.

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    It's almost like I'm a seasoned warrior while you two are glorified pickpockets!

    Epic win.


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    Heh, Heh, Heh...

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    They aren't out of the fire yet. Celia still has Hank and Yor looking for her.

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