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    Alright, I got this idea form, well, a Ciaphas Cain Novel. Heres how it goes.

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    Magic jues doesn't seem to work around you.

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    Magic does not work within 10 ft. of you, as if you were under a natural, permantant, anti-magic fiel. When you enter a square where magic is currently active, it is suppressed, but not dispelled.

    Drawback
    You cannot be magically healed, or affected by any "postive" magic such as cat's grace or the such.

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    Characters with this trait might seem to be completely zoned out, as if they we're even there mentally, or they may just seem oblivious to magic.


    Any suggestions or edits I should make?
    Last edited by Baxter190; 2008-12-07 at 11:06 AM.
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    This seems either completely useless or ridiculously overpowered, depending on your build.
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    Well, if you use it on a fighter or barbarian, he nulls out any mages he gets close to, makeing them even weaker. Its also cancels out the effects of some nasty curses. However, the fighterwould be able to be healed, so he would have to be really careful. Also, any thoughts on spells like fireball and meteor swarm?
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    That is pretty ridiculously overpowered I think. Anti-Magic field is one of the most annoying yet absurdly powerful effects in the whole game, the usage of which opens a rules can of worms nigh-instantly. Running around with an active AM field all the time is not something a trait should be giving out. This is a PrC ability with heavy, heavy requirements and some limit on use.

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    Well, then how can I reduce it so that it can be taken as a trait? Make it just personal range?
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    On the other hand, you CAN'T BE MAGICALLY HEALED. That's a pretty huge downside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    On the other hand, you CAN'T BE MAGICALLY HEALED. That's a pretty huge downside.
    Or buffed. And you can't make use of magic items like wings of flying.
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    Change it so that the trait only effects mental spells or something like that, perhaps.
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    Its a pretty vicious double edged sword.

    You can't use magic, but it can't hit you. I would say the con's far outweigh the pro's in a standard game of D&D
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    Thats what I figured. What range should I make it though? personal, or with a a square or two of reach?
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    I'd say make it a personal-ranged thing - magic, good or bad, simply doesn't effect you. This way you can't be magically hurt or magically healed, but you don't have an AMF wandering around with you wherever you go.

    If you really want it to affect other creatures, them maybe when you come into contact with them, or when you enter their square, the AMF applies to them, too, but that still may be overpowered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnor Criol View Post
    I'd say make it a personal-ranged thing - magic, good or bad, simply doesn't effect you. This way you can't be magically hurt or magically healed, but you don't have an AMF wandering around with you wherever you go.

    If you really want it to affect other creatures, them maybe when you come into contact with them, or when you enter their square, the AMF applies to them, too, but that still may be overpowered.
    This seems like the best solution. It's focused on you unless you like, grapple somebody.

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    Easier way to express it within game mechanics: You are immune to anything that allows spell resistance. This effect cannot be lowered.
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    I agree entirely.
    This would either be A: horrible, or B: Horribly broken if not changed.
    Otherwise I would just make a reaping mauler, and have it grapple with the Balor while activating his item of expansion to become Gargantuan of bigger, and bam A level 20 encounter becomes a CR 15 encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    I agree entirely.
    This would either be A: horrible, or B: Horribly broken if not changed.
    Otherwise I would just make a reaping mauler, and have it grapple with the Balor while activating his item of expansion to become Gargantuan of bigger, and bam A level 20 encounter becomes a CR 15 encounter.
    Except you can't use any magic items either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    I agree entirely.
    This would either be A: horrible, or B: Horribly broken if not changed.
    Otherwise I would just make a reaping mauler, and have it grapple with the Balor while activating his item of expansion to become Gargantuan of bigger, and bam A level 20 encounter becomes a CR 15 encounter.
    But the Mauler would never be able to hit the AC of the creature. So it all balances out. The Balor on the other hand could cause problems.
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    The item wouldn't work. Also, if you become large than medium, you cease qualifying for Reaping Mauler and hence cannot use its abilities.
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    How about whenever a person who has this trait succesfully attacks someone, the target gets this effect as well, but only from a melee attack. My reasoning is that the blank got close enough to hit, so the blank field overlapped with the target. It would bar any magic abilities from the target, but prevent them from being hit with firball and the like.
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    Well, have him take VoP then. He doesn't NEED magic items, and with this trait it makes the feat good at higher levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    Well, have him take VoP then. He doesn't NEED magic items, and with this trait it makes the feat good at higher levels.
    Except not only does that limit him to say...Good. He could only be 1 class. You'd be double screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innis Cabal View Post
    Except not only does that limit him to say...Good. He could only be 1 class. You'd be double screwed.
    true, but its the best insatnce of abuse I could think of with this trait.
    Meh, I guess it isn't THAT broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter190 View Post
    Alright, I got this idea form, well, a Ciaphas Cain Novel. Heres how it goes.

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    Magic jues doesn't seem to work around you.

    Benefit
    Magic does not work within 10 ft. of you, as if you were under a natural, permantant, anti-magic fiel. When you enter a square where magic is currently active, it is suppressed, but not dispelled.

    Drawback
    You cannot be magically healed, or affected by any "postive" magic such as cat's grace or the such.

    Roleplaying Ideas

    Characters with this trait might seem to be completely zoned out, as if they we're even there mentally, or they may just seem oblivious to magic.


    Any suggestions or edits I should make?
    Overpowering body odor as a side effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupendous_Man View Post
    Overpowering body odor as a side effect.
    Epic Win. I'm glad somebody recognized where this came from. So, will he be resistant to spells that orignated outside of his blank sphere, like fireballs and the like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    true, but its the best insatnce of abuse I could think of with this trait.
    Meh, I guess it isn't THAT broken.
    No, its really not. It screw's you over pretty bad. No magic items. No magic healing or buffing.

    Your base B.A.B and saves are it. Against foes with nonmagical powers, your sunk, and fast.
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    Thats what I was thinking Cabal, but it would do wonders in a eberron campaign, where magic is pretty much common place. Sigil would be messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innis Cabal View Post
    No, its really not. It screw's you over pretty bad. No magic items. No magic healing or buffing.

    Your base B.A.B and saves are it. Against foes with nonmagical powers, your sunk, and fast.
    Namely a Troll. Good against Wizard's, but that's it.
    Then again that, and TOB are the only things I play besides Clerics, and Druids, so that would be a kick in the proverbial balls for me.

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    At low levels (~1-5), this is ridiculously overpowered, as magical damage is high, while magical protections are low. At middle levels (~6-10), this ability starts balancing out; magical damage is increasing in prevalence & potency, while magical protections are increasingly useful. But at higher levels (~11+), the game balance assumes that you have magical healing & magical buffs (&, even more importantly, magical items/weapons/armor), so a balanced game would include higher damage of all sorts.

    Sure, you're immune to the meteor swarm, but a rock dropped from a great height isn't gonna avoid hitting you just because it was hoisted up to the ionosphere by magic. And a balor is gonna bisect you easily, even if it cannot add magic to it sword. Also, good luck with that tarrasque.

    Short answer: you'd make a great Commoner in a Commoner's world, but even a Fighter would run into big problems in an actual game. D&D runs on magic, so without magic, your PC won't be running for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta Kai View Post
    Short answer: you'd make a great Commoner in a Commoner's world, but even a Fighter would run into big problems in an actual game. D&D runs on magic, so without magic, your PC won't be running for long.
    There's always... MARTIAL MANEUVERS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupendous_Man View Post
    There's always... MARTIAL MANEUVERS!
    But with a master work weapon(or just your fists) and no special armor even if your just a sword sage your not going far.
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    So its good?
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